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	<title>Comments on: HB619: Repeal predatory lending</title>
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		<title>By: Doug Smith, Virginia Interfaith Center E.D.</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-15002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Smith, Virginia Interfaith Center E.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is so great to see these notes!  In the past, it has only been groups like the Virginia Interfaith Center for Public Policy or the Virginia Poverty Law Center (and AARP) that have been raising issues with these abusive practices.  The more voices we have the more likely it is that we can get the industry to compromise at no more than 36% interest!

Thank you for lending your voices to the growing outrage.  Certainly no moral Virginian thinks that  businesses should make money by any means, regardless of how damaging it is to working families and communities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so great to see these notes!  In the past, it has only been groups like the Virginia Interfaith Center for Public Policy or the Virginia Poverty Law Center (and AARP) that have been raising issues with these abusive practices.  The more voices we have the more likely it is that we can get the industry to compromise at no more than 36% interest!</p>
<p>Thank you for lending your voices to the growing outrage.  Certainly no moral Virginian thinks that  businesses should make money by any means, regardless of how damaging it is to working families and communities.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-14145</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walt - sometimes we are all on the same side. Isn&#039;t that nice? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt &#8211; sometimes we are all on the same side. Isn&#8217;t that nice? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Walt Ball</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-14130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walt Ball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, let me just say &quot;I can&#039;t believe I agree with something Leslie Byrne says.&quot;  But this is an act that must go. This does nothing more than soak poor people. Just as I do not believe in hand-outs from the government because they make poor folks abandon the principle of self-reliance, so too do I oppose these &quot;Pay Day Loan Sharks.&quot; I will push this at the Advance next weekend. I hope most Republican&#039;s will support the repeal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, let me just say &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe I agree with something Leslie Byrne says.&#8221;  But this is an act that must go. This does nothing more than soak poor people. Just as I do not believe in hand-outs from the government because they make poor folks abandon the principle of self-reliance, so too do I oppose these &#8220;Pay Day Loan Sharks.&#8221; I will push this at the Advance next weekend. I hope most Republican&#8217;s will support the repeal.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13677</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nell - no doubt someone else will jump in here but as far as I know, committees often meet when the legislature is not in session. The General Assembly website has a list of meetings which you can access &lt;a href=&quot;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?061+oth+MTG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nell &#8211; no doubt someone else will jump in here but as far as I know, committees often meet when the legislature is not in session. The General Assembly website has a list of meetings which you can access <a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?061+oth+MTG" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing this alert, Vivian. I asked this question in comments at Raising Kaine, but didn&#039;t get a response.  Can anyone here point me to the answer?

&quot;I have a lot to learn about the Virginia state legislature. Is it normal practice for the committees to meet when the legislature&#039;s not in session?
Can anyone suggest ways to track this activity, or do we have to rely on alerts from interested lobbies?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this alert, Vivian. I asked this question in comments at Raising Kaine, but didn&#8217;t get a response.  Can anyone here point me to the answer?</p>
<p>&#8220;I have a lot to learn about the Virginia state legislature. Is it normal practice for the committees to meet when the legislature&#8217;s not in session?<br />
Can anyone suggest ways to track this activity, or do we have to rely on alerts from interested lobbies?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13514</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leslie - I agree with your characterization. As for following the money, the folks at &lt;a href=&quot;http://bypi.blogspot.com/2006/11/repeal-of-predatory-payday-lending.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bored Young Professionals&lt;/a&gt; did just that.

I still say that there can be no justification for 780% interest. There&#039;s a reason so many of these companies have popped up. It&#039;s less about need than greed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie &#8211; I agree with your characterization. As for following the money, the folks at <a href="http://bypi.blogspot.com/2006/11/repeal-of-predatory-payday-lending.html" rel="nofollow">Bored Young Professionals</a> did just that.</p>
<p>I still say that there can be no justification for 780% interest. There&#8217;s a reason so many of these companies have popped up. It&#8217;s less about need than greed.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginian</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13438</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Virginian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MB - Obviously I was talking to them because they were involved in legal matters.  What&#039;s your point?  I assume you&#039;re not saying that anyone whose ever needed short term money and &quot;had their butt saved&quot; couldn&#039;t subsequently need representation?  By the way, the only part of my post that was directed at you was the very first part.  The rest was directed at the uninformed amongst us.  I&#039;ll let you decide to whom that applies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB &#8211; Obviously I was talking to them because they were involved in legal matters.  What&#8217;s your point?  I assume you&#8217;re not saying that anyone whose ever needed short term money and &#8220;had their butt saved&#8221; couldn&#8217;t subsequently need representation?  By the way, the only part of my post that was directed at you was the very first part.  The rest was directed at the uninformed amongst us.  I&#8217;ll let you decide to whom that applies.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13431</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re ascribing far more to me than what I&#039;ve said, Virginian.

And if these wonderful lenders of last resort &quot;saved [the borrower&#039;s] butt&quot;, why were you talking to them?   I think you&#039;ve spinning it a bit much, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re ascribing far more to me than what I&#8217;ve said, Virginian.</p>
<p>And if these wonderful lenders of last resort &#8220;saved [the borrower's] butt&#8221;, why were you talking to them?   I think you&#8217;ve spinning it a bit much, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Byrne</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leslie Byrne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vivian: Payday lending is just legalized loan sharking. When I spoke out about legalizing this practice in the G.A. and the harm that it would do, I kind of expected Republicans to back it. What was suprising was the number of Democrats who voted for it. Later I checked VPAP and understood why. It would be instructive to check the voting record of who supported changing Virginia&#039;s ursury laws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian: Payday lending is just legalized loan sharking. When I spoke out about legalizing this practice in the G.A. and the harm that it would do, I kind of expected Republicans to back it. What was suprising was the number of Democrats who voted for it. Later I checked VPAP and understood why. It would be instructive to check the voting record of who supported changing Virginia&#8217;s ursury laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginian</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Virginian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MB - Actually, those are my opinions formed through representing lenders AND borrowers in credit related litigation.  Every single borrower I&#039;ve dealt with who went to payday lenders says the same thing.  It goes like this &quot;I was desperate for money because of medical/electric/water bills.  No one in my family had any money to lend me.  My credit cards were maxed out and no banks would even talk to me.  I went to the payday lender as a last resort and they saved my butt.&quot;

We have two options.  The first option is to allow those people to make an educated decision to incur the costs of borrowing the money.  The second option is to preclude this option and simply let them default on their other obligations.  Let them bounce checks.  Let them lose their cars.  Let their electricity be turned off.  Let them declare bankruptcy.

We all know how manipulative you&#039;re being with the numbers.  Of course a fee for money looks huge if you misconstrue it as an APR calculated over a year.  However, a bounced check charge looks even bigger.  The societal costs of not having this last resort are astronomical.  Of course, I&#039;m sure if you all had your way this wouldn&#039;t be a problem since the government would simply stand on the street corner and hand out money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB &#8211; Actually, those are my opinions formed through representing lenders AND borrowers in credit related litigation.  Every single borrower I&#8217;ve dealt with who went to payday lenders says the same thing.  It goes like this &#8220;I was desperate for money because of medical/electric/water bills.  No one in my family had any money to lend me.  My credit cards were maxed out and no banks would even talk to me.  I went to the payday lender as a last resort and they saved my butt.&#8221;</p>
<p>We have two options.  The first option is to allow those people to make an educated decision to incur the costs of borrowing the money.  The second option is to preclude this option and simply let them default on their other obligations.  Let them bounce checks.  Let them lose their cars.  Let their electricity be turned off.  Let them declare bankruptcy.</p>
<p>We all know how manipulative you&#8217;re being with the numbers.  Of course a fee for money looks huge if you misconstrue it as an APR calculated over a year.  However, a bounced check charge looks even bigger.  The societal costs of not having this last resort are astronomical.  Of course, I&#8217;m sure if you all had your way this wouldn&#8217;t be a problem since the government would simply stand on the street corner and hand out money.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Virginian, did you take those talking points from the Community Lenders Assoc. or somesuch unbiased source?

Even as an avowedly-left liberal, my work in a heavily regulated industry has brought me around to a generally anti-regulation viewpoint.  That said, the lenders targeted by this bill are destructive bottom feeders, at best.   It&#039;s an incredibly profitable industry that, for the most part, doesn&#039;t bear the societal costs it incurs.  Bring on the regulation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginian, did you take those talking points from the Community Lenders Assoc. or somesuch unbiased source?</p>
<p>Even as an avowedly-left liberal, my work in a heavily regulated industry has brought me around to a generally anti-regulation viewpoint.  That said, the lenders targeted by this bill are destructive bottom feeders, at best.   It&#8217;s an incredibly profitable industry that, for the most part, doesn&#8217;t bear the societal costs it incurs.  Bring on the regulation.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I think we get it. There is no way you can justify interest of 780%. No way, no how. I recognize the risk associated with these loans, but 780%? Uh, no. 

This is state-sponsored loan-sharking, pure and simple. The government should not sanction such behavior. The people being taken advantage of are the working poor. 

These businesses thrive not only because of the need for their services but also because of the obscene profits. The &quot;buy here, pay here&quot; car dealerships exist for the same reasons - and they seem to be able to make a profit with the 36% cap.

(To say that they offer no collateral is not really true, by the way. They are providing access to their checking account for repayment.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think we get it. There is no way you can justify interest of 780%. No way, no how. I recognize the risk associated with these loans, but 780%? Uh, no. </p>
<p>This is state-sponsored loan-sharking, pure and simple. The government should not sanction such behavior. The people being taken advantage of are the working poor. </p>
<p>These businesses thrive not only because of the need for their services but also because of the obscene profits. The &#8220;buy here, pay here&#8221; car dealerships exist for the same reasons &#8211; and they seem to be able to make a profit with the 36% cap.</p>
<p>(To say that they offer no collateral is not really true, by the way. They are providing access to their checking account for repayment.)</p>
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		<title>By: Virginian</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Virginian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You guys don&#039;t get it.

First, Payday lending fees, calculated as APR (which is inappropriate to begin with) are much lower than bounced check charges calculated as APR.

Second, Payday lenders are lenders of last resort.  If they weren&#039;t needed, they wouldn&#039;t thrive.  Let&#039;s see you try to live paycheck to paycheck and walk into your neighborhood bank with no collateral and ask for $500 to keep the electricity on and the water running.  Good luck.  Who should these people turn to, the government, national banks, regional banks, you?  Whose gonna help these people?

Finally, of course the fees are high as an APR basis.  These are the least creditworthy borrowers who are making short term loans with no collateral.  Without the current fee structure there is no way the risk could be justified.

I just love when &quot;liberals&quot; lament the plight of the poor yet try to set up government created barriers to the poor joining our economy.  Payday lenders provide a necessary and often last resort service.  When your grandmother, or friend or neighbor gets evicted because no one would loan them money and the Payday lenders are out of business, I hope you&#039;ll go apologize.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>First, Payday lending fees, calculated as APR (which is inappropriate to begin with) are much lower than bounced check charges calculated as APR.</p>
<p>Second, Payday lenders are lenders of last resort.  If they weren&#8217;t needed, they wouldn&#8217;t thrive.  Let&#8217;s see you try to live paycheck to paycheck and walk into your neighborhood bank with no collateral and ask for $500 to keep the electricity on and the water running.  Good luck.  Who should these people turn to, the government, national banks, regional banks, you?  Whose gonna help these people?</p>
<p>Finally, of course the fees are high as an APR basis.  These are the least creditworthy borrowers who are making short term loans with no collateral.  Without the current fee structure there is no way the risk could be justified.</p>
<p>I just love when &#8220;liberals&#8221; lament the plight of the poor yet try to set up government created barriers to the poor joining our economy.  Payday lenders provide a necessary and often last resort service.  When your grandmother, or friend or neighbor gets evicted because no one would loan them money and the Payday lenders are out of business, I hope you&#8217;ll go apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: hburgnews &#187; Blog Archive &#187; predatory lending &#38; campaign contributions</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hburgnews &#187; Blog Archive &#187; predatory lending &#38; campaign contributions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Some of the ugliest buildings in Harrisonburg are payday loan businesses. The yellowpages show that there are at least nine payday loan companies in the burg. IMO, ugly buildings are reason enough to stop the practice of payday loans. But Vivian Paige can think of an even better reason: predatory lending. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some of the ugliest buildings in Harrisonburg are payday loan businesses. The yellowpages show that there are at least nine payday loan companies in the burg. IMO, ugly buildings are reason enough to stop the practice of payday loans. But Vivian Paige can think of an even better reason: predatory lending. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith &#187; Blog &#187; Take action now to crack down on payday lenders.</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2006/11/15/hb619-repeal-predatory-lending/comment-page-1/#comment-13359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Waldo Jaquith &#187; Blog &#187; Take action now to crack down on payday lenders.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Vivian Paige asks for citizens to write their delegates to support repealing the Payday Loan Act of 2002, which exempted payday lenders from usury laws. The House Commerce and Labor Committee will be taking a vote on this on December 5. I&#8217;ll be curious to see what AG Bob McDonnell tries to do with this bill: he received $75,750 in campaign contributions from payday loan companies, but knew they were shameful enough that he hid it until after the election. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Vivian Paige asks for citizens to write their delegates to support repealing the Payday Loan Act of 2002, which exempted payday lenders from usury laws. The House Commerce and Labor Committee will be taking a vote on this on December 5. I&#8217;ll be curious to see what AG Bob McDonnell tries to do with this bill: he received $75,750 in campaign contributions from payday loan companies, but knew they were shameful enough that he hid it until after the election. [...]</p>
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