. . . to God for Adam and Eve eatting the forbidden fruit – whatz up witrh that? I mean, with everything they would ever need was provided for them – they still they had to break the rules!

A related thought:

Could this have been the earliest known indication that the future “progressive’s” plans that has helped to create the current government dependent New Orleans-like “entitlement class” was a social experiment that was doomed to failure?

Hum, could be . . .? (ducks, runs for cover…)

(I never learn) Another interesting thought:

What race were Adam and Eve?

…to the British for the Scottish Wars of Independence. More about apologies from: Vivian The Richmond Democrat The Virginia Progressive Waldo…

Those of you who insist that secession had “nothing to do with slavery” may want to take a look at the words used by actual state legislatures to justify what they were doing. Four of the early state declarations of independence are available at

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

A few noteworthy quotes:

Georgia, 1st paragraph, 2nd sentence:
“For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.”

Misissippi, 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence:
“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery– the greatest material interest of the world.”

Texas, 4th paragraph:
“The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States.”

And of course South Carolina, which, after a page or so outlining the history of American independence and the Constitution, got down to brass tacks:

“We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.”

Not about slavery. Right.

People are so worked up over this (Both sides) as if it will change anything… it won’t. Those apposed see it as the continuation of White guilt, and those in favor see it as past due.

What real change will it make? None. It is symbolic at best if passed and symbolic if deafeated.

To argue that it will make a horrid history better is simply false. No matter how many resolutions are passed, it will never change the shame of this part of history. I see both sides wasting energy on a past that will never change when they should focus on a future that has yet to tbe written… Both sides. Just my two cents (Which is normally worth about a penny )

Hargrove needs to go! Along with his friends and relatives running Hanover’s government.

Glad this bill was proposed.

VJP, I am sorry for your pain, and hope whatever, you need, to help you get through life, is provided to you.

But please, use all this attention and focus on this issue to tell the truth about all sides of is issue. NO ONE in HISTORY is blameless!

But at some point we all must be held responsible for our actions and achievements in life regardless of race, creed, or color.

Virginia has a horrible record for it’s racism, prejudice, elitism and bigotry.

It’s wonderful it’s finally getting National attention.

But only time and education will change things. Use this momentum for promoting education. Complete, total, unbiased, education! When we learn, NONE of us, are any more pure, than the other, will we then be able to accept the minor differences in each other.

I agree with about 95% of the whereas language

I have no problem with the end statement

RESOLVED by the Senate, the House of Delegates concurring, That the General Assembly hereby atone for the involuntary servitude of Africans and call for reconciliation among all Virginians;

I am not an expert on parlimentary procedure but I think I would almost certainly vote yes because I agree with the final statement and 95% of the whereas clauses and anyway from my student government days I think the resolved is the only part that matters right?
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One more thing

WHEREAS, the perpetual pain, distrust, and bitterness of many African Americans could be assuaged and the principles espoused by the Founding Fathers would be affirmed, and great strides toward unifying all Virginians and inspiring the nation to acquiesce might be accomplished, if on the eve of the commemoration of the 400th anniversary of the first permanent English settlement in the New World, the Commonwealth acknowledged and atoned for its pivotal role in the slavery of Africans”

Honestly,

When this bill passes will you personally feel assuaged

I looked up assuaged (words were never my thing) according to the Internets

to make less intense or severe
to satify or appease
to pactify or calm

I would concur with definition 1 but not definition 2 or 3. I wonder what the meaning of the word is used in the resolution.

Thoughts

And “get over it” isn’t a form of suppression?

And the South did not leave the North over slavery. The North was doing nothing against the South in terms of slavery. The South left over states rights; President Lincoln is the one who turned the war into a referendum on slavery.

Why don’t Southerners get this?

I’m not telling you to change your feelings; I can understand that is never as easy as it might sound. But only you can decide how you deal with them. Do you really think that an apology will make you feel better? Better yet, do you want Delegates McEachin and Jones to vote on it? Or anyone that is not white (at the time that slavery was present, there were not too many non-white politicians)?

What is being asked is impossible.

Certainly, what happened 140 years ago and before was terrible, but will everyone who feels pain from what happened then feel better because the great-grandchildren of people who might have owned slaves make them all feel better? On top of that, it is being done in the name of a state; this is not a person or people who recently did something so wrong, but a place where it happened. If I had ancestors who had been slaves (honestly, I do not know if I have of have not), such an apology would strike me as condescending.

And mosquito, where did madmouser say to forget history? I think the point madmouser was making is that what happened then is out of our control. madmouser even seems to imply that change should occur; that the hate of the past should be left there.

My main concern is where does it stop? Changes have been regular and appropriate since then, but they have never seemed to be enough. I see a system in place right now that gives everyone equal rights. What if an apology is not enough? People start demanding that the descendents of slaves get greater rights? Affirmative action already seems to hold that position.

As a Christian, I remember that the God’s Word tells us to forgive the trespasses made against us, and to love our neighbor as ourselves, regardless of whether an apology is given or not. Do you really need an apology? Perhaps you should just be forgiven and take on some of today’s problems. Our lessons have been learned from slavery.

How is anyone supposed to “get over it” when certain segments of Virginia choose to honor the past confederacy with monuments and flags that are up today to keep us mindful of the past?

Virginia needs to apologize for her participation in slavery….and let us white folks be mindful that many of us get an inheritance, etc that is usually larger than black Americans….and I propose this is an economic remnant of slavery still in existence today.

I join Vivian in saying…Don’t get over it….

I’m not ready to play nice on this topic….Buzz…Buzz…