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	<title>Comments on: Moran on abuser fees</title>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/07/19/moran-on-abuser-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-70726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MB - VA constitution is a strange beast. It&#039;s got all kinds of stuff in there one would never expect.

AEM - the funding formula, by nearly everyone&#039;s definition, is screwed up. The state share is underfunded due to their use of minimum requirements, which almost none of the localities use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB &#8211; VA constitution is a strange beast. It&#8217;s got all kinds of stuff in there one would never expect.</p>
<p>AEM &#8211; the funding formula, by nearly everyone&#8217;s definition, is screwed up. The state share is underfunded due to their use of minimum requirements, which almost none of the localities use.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/07/19/moran-on-abuser-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-70674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It all depends on your definition of &quot;fair.&quot;  In Hampton, for instance, the state will pay 55% of the FY&#039;08 school &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sbo.hampton.k12.va.us/whatshot/BudgetPres07.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;budget&lt;/a&gt;.

If we drill down &lt;a href=&quot;//www.schoolmatters.com/app/searchnav?stype=SM&amp;mtype=&amp;mlvl=0&amp;site=pes&amp;stid=47&amp;llid=116&amp;stllid=-1&amp;distid=&amp;clocid=-1&amp;stridx=0&amp;srtname=256986&amp;srto=A&amp;co=&amp;adv=false&amp;qcmp=&amp;dst=20&amp;zip=23510&amp;ctyname=&amp;cntyname=&amp;locname=&amp;flte=&amp;page=25&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, we see that the state pays more than 45% for all Tidewater cities. (Go to &quot;Spending, Revenue, and Taxes&quot; then &quot;Revenue Distributions&quot; for each city.)

Statewide, the state paid 40.3% of all K-12 public school &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.schoolmatters.com/app/data/q/stid=47/llid=116/stllid=157/locid=959588/catid=821/secid=3187/compid=765/site=pes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;costs&lt;/a&gt; in 2004.

It seems that Tidewater is getting funded by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.schoolmatters.com/app/search/q/stype=SM/stid=47/llid=116/stridx=0/srtname=/srto=A/locname=/ctyname=/zip=22151/dst=20/cntyname=/distname=/distid=/adv=false/page=25/site=pes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NoVa&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all depends on your definition of &#8220;fair.&#8221;  In Hampton, for instance, the state will pay 55% of the FY&#8217;08 school <a href="http://www.sbo.hampton.k12.va.us/whatshot/BudgetPres07.pdf" rel="nofollow">budget</a>.</p>
<p>If we drill down <a href="//www.schoolmatters.com/app/searchnav?stype=SM&amp;mtype=&amp;mlvl=0&amp;site=pes&amp;stid=47&amp;llid=116&amp;stllid=-1&amp;distid=&amp;clocid=-1&amp;stridx=0&amp;srtname=256986&amp;srto=A&amp;co=&amp;adv=false&amp;qcmp=&amp;dst=20&amp;zip=23510&amp;ctyname=&amp;cntyname=&amp;locname=&amp;flte=&amp;page=25" rel="nofollow">here</a>, we see that the state pays more than 45% for all Tidewater cities. (Go to &#8220;Spending, Revenue, and Taxes&#8221; then &#8220;Revenue Distributions&#8221; for each city.)</p>
<p>Statewide, the state paid 40.3% of all K-12 public school <a href="http://www.schoolmatters.com/app/data/q/stid=47/llid=116/stllid=157/locid=959588/catid=821/secid=3187/compid=765/site=pes" rel="nofollow">costs</a> in 2004.</p>
<p>It seems that Tidewater is getting funded by <a href="http://www.schoolmatters.com/app/search/q/stype=SM/stid=47/llid=116/stridx=0/srtname=/srto=A/locname=/ctyname=/zip=22151/dst=20/cntyname=/distname=/distid=/adv=false/page=25/site=pes" rel="nofollow">NoVa</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/07/19/moran-on-abuser-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-70666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One wonders how much worse - or better - Virginia&#039;s gov&#039;t would be but for its rather restrictive constitution (e.g., the Dillon rule, all fines go to the Literary Fund, etc.).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders how much worse &#8211; or better &#8211; Virginia&#8217;s gov&#8217;t would be but for its rather restrictive constitution (e.g., the Dillon rule, all fines go to the Literary Fund, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/07/19/moran-on-abuser-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-70663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AEM - it&#039;s about the earmarks of the funds. The fines are earmarked to go to the Literary Fund. 

Last time I looked, the state was paying a lot less than its fair share for schools. The last thing we need is to have the resources for schools reduced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AEM &#8211; it&#8217;s about the earmarks of the funds. The fines are earmarked to go to the Literary Fund. </p>
<p>Last time I looked, the state was paying a lot less than its fair share for schools. The last thing we need is to have the resources for schools reduced.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/07/19/moran-on-abuser-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-70627</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah..got it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah..got it</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/07/19/moran-on-abuser-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-70623</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Moran is arguing that the FINES (which go to the Literary Fund) will not be imposed because the FEES (over which the judges have no discretion) are too high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Moran is arguing that the FINES (which go to the Literary Fund) will not be imposed because the FEES (over which the judges have no discretion) are too high.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/07/19/moran-on-abuser-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-70620</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the Democrats are simultaneously arguing that the fees both will and will not be imposed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Democrats are simultaneously arguing that the fees both will and will not be imposed?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/07/19/moran-on-abuser-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-70604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, but the argument simply does not hold water.  Was there no school construction before the Literary Fund was established?  Of course there was.  The money came from other sources.  If the Literary Fund were underfunded or disestablished, the General Assembly would again get money from other sources for school construction.  Money is fungible, and these earmarked accounts are a convenient fiction, just like the Social Security Trust Fund.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but the argument simply does not hold water.  Was there no school construction before the Literary Fund was established?  Of course there was.  The money came from other sources.  If the Literary Fund were underfunded or disestablished, the General Assembly would again get money from other sources for school construction.  Money is fungible, and these earmarked accounts are a convenient fiction, just like the Social Security Trust Fund.</p>
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