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		<title>By: Anonymous Is A Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Is A Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is not like Spotter and some of his other more vociferous supporters, who have probably done his campaign some damage.

There is nothing wrong with having passion for your candidate.  I&#039;m an Obama supporter and proud of it.  But frankly, Spotter, if it weren&#039;t for people who have been as nasty as you, I&#039;d have thrown my support to him much sooner.  I liked him.  And I knew John Edwards, my first choice, was not going to get the nomination.  But I just couldn&#039;t jump aboard the Obama bandwagon until I absolutely had to

That&#039;s directly because of you and others who have said publicly that  if he didn&#039;t win, you would not back Hillary. Yes, that actually did turn off potential Obama supporters.   Fortunately most of us are open minded and listened to what he had to say and tuned you out.  

Here&#039;s what &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  Paul Krugmain&lt;/a&gt;, a man I admire very much had to say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We’ve already had that from the Bush administration — remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don’t want to go there again.

What’s particularly saddening is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of “Clinton rules” — the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sorry to say that this describes you and some of your fellow Obama supporters to a T and it&#039;s very disappointing.  

I don&#039;t think Vivian is out of line at all. Unfortunately, you have been for a while now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is not like Spotter and some of his other more vociferous supporters, who have probably done his campaign some damage.</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with having passion for your candidate.  I&#8217;m an Obama supporter and proud of it.  But frankly, Spotter, if it weren&#8217;t for people who have been as nasty as you, I&#8217;d have thrown my support to him much sooner.  I liked him.  And I knew John Edwards, my first choice, was not going to get the nomination.  But I just couldn&#8217;t jump aboard the Obama bandwagon until I absolutely had to</p>
<p>That&#8217;s directly because of you and others who have said publicly that  if he didn&#8217;t win, you would not back Hillary. Yes, that actually did turn off potential Obama supporters.   Fortunately most of us are open minded and listened to what he had to say and tuned you out.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">  Paul Krugmain</a>, a man I admire very much had to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We’ve already had that from the Bush administration — remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don’t want to go there again.</p>
<p>What’s particularly saddening is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of “Clinton rules” — the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent. </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say that this describes you and some of your fellow Obama supporters to a T and it&#8217;s very disappointing.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Vivian is out of line at all. Unfortunately, you have been for a while now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sleepless in Virginia</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/02/10/jj-dinner-wrapup/comment-page-2/#comment-117604</link>
		<dc:creator>Sleepless in Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While in line to hear Bill Clinton today in Fredericksburg, I did heard a few folks who attended the JJ dinner from this area say that they&#039;d never go to another JJ, saying as you&#039;ve said, that it was a rally for Obama.  One said where they were sitting Obama supporters were heckling Hillary so much that their table couldn&#039;t even hear her at times.  They were a bit surprised at how some of the Obama supporter were so  rude.  So take what I say with a grain of salt as I wasn&#039;t there....it&#039;s just what they said.  I went to the JJ two years ago and had a pleasant evening listening to Ed Rendell!!!

SJ -- good comment.
Spotter -- Your vapid, baseless attack tactics are annoying people everywhere on the blogosphere.  How about going away for awhile.  BTW, you are doing your candidate incredible damage.  If Obama&#039;s like you....no thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While in line to hear Bill Clinton today in Fredericksburg, I did heard a few folks who attended the JJ dinner from this area say that they&#8217;d never go to another JJ, saying as you&#8217;ve said, that it was a rally for Obama.  One said where they were sitting Obama supporters were heckling Hillary so much that their table couldn&#8217;t even hear her at times.  They were a bit surprised at how some of the Obama supporter were so  rude.  So take what I say with a grain of salt as I wasn&#8217;t there&#8230;.it&#8217;s just what they said.  I went to the JJ two years ago and had a pleasant evening listening to Ed Rendell!!!</p>
<p>SJ &#8212; good comment.<br />
Spotter &#8212; Your vapid, baseless attack tactics are annoying people everywhere on the blogosphere.  How about going away for awhile.  BTW, you are doing your candidate incredible damage.  If Obama&#8217;s like you&#8230;.no thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Melvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Melvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was impressed by the young people in the stands yelling support for their Presidential candidates. They were never rude when the opposing candidate spoke.  It was agreat evening to be a Democrat.  Obama elicited the loudest response.  However, I did not hear a negative word spoken about Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was impressed by the young people in the stands yelling support for their Presidential candidates. They were never rude when the opposing candidate spoke.  It was agreat evening to be a Democrat.  Obama elicited the loudest response.  However, I did not hear a negative word spoken about Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: proudvadem</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SJ-
You nailed it!
It was great to have a JJ where you didn&#039;t struggle to stay awake until the hospitality suites. We do have two amazing candidates and need to unify around our party&#039;s nominee come November. We need to pick up congressional seats and make sure Mark Warner gets to the Senate.  I&#039;m also happy as heck that the party raised 750k! That&#039;s great. It&#039;s time for people to sit back, look at the big picture, and agree that we may disagree about our primary preferences but we are all Democrats who want  Democrats to get elected and unite this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ-<br />
You nailed it!<br />
It was great to have a JJ where you didn&#8217;t struggle to stay awake until the hospitality suites. We do have two amazing candidates and need to unify around our party&#8217;s nominee come November. We need to pick up congressional seats and make sure Mark Warner gets to the Senate.  I&#8217;m also happy as heck that the party raised 750k! That&#8217;s great. It&#8217;s time for people to sit back, look at the big picture, and agree that we may disagree about our primary preferences but we are all Democrats who want  Democrats to get elected and unite this country.</p>
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		<title>By: linda b</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When people like Donna Brazile are threatening to quit the party over strongarm tactics from party leadership

and what tactics are they&gt; the super delegates? the news has been all over this for naught. many of those same delegates said they would vote what their state votes. 
so don&#039;t darn the party &quot;leadership&quot;. There are rules that were voted on by the members of the national party and they are being abided by. we just happen to have two great candidates that people are still voting on in a primary.
you do like to vote don&#039;t you???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When people like Donna Brazile are threatening to quit the party over strongarm tactics from party leadership</p>
<p>and what tactics are they&gt; the super delegates? the news has been all over this for naught. many of those same delegates said they would vote what their state votes.<br />
so don&#8217;t darn the party &#8220;leadership&#8221;. There are rules that were voted on by the members of the national party and they are being abided by. we just happen to have two great candidates that people are still voting on in a primary.<br />
you do like to vote don&#8217;t you???</p>
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		<title>By: T-Shirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>T-Shirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spotter why don&#039;t you just go back to bed and wake up again.  Possibly you will be in the real world again.  If that doesn&#039;t work then I suggest you get on your computer and back up what you say with facts.  Better yet, just stop attacking everything and everyone and have a civil conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spotter why don&#8217;t you just go back to bed and wake up again.  Possibly you will be in the real world again.  If that doesn&#8217;t work then I suggest you get on your computer and back up what you say with facts.  Better yet, just stop attacking everything and everyone and have a civil conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: sj</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaine can say anything he wants, however, lets remember this was a State Party Fundraiser, people who supported HIllary as well as Obama paid big bucks, and everyone should be respected for their choice.  I think that is part of the problem, we are not setting back and saying, hey we have two great choices, instead we are beating up people who don&#039;t agree with us.  Can&#039;t we save that for the republicans, remember, as Democrats we are ALL ON THE SAME SIDE HERE!!!!  WE WILL SUPPORT the winner, let&#039;s not let folks who are just cought up with the hipe divide us please, the republicans do enough of that!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaine can say anything he wants, however, lets remember this was a State Party Fundraiser, people who supported HIllary as well as Obama paid big bucks, and everyone should be respected for their choice.  I think that is part of the problem, we are not setting back and saying, hey we have two great choices, instead we are beating up people who don&#8217;t agree with us.  Can&#8217;t we save that for the republicans, remember, as Democrats we are ALL ON THE SAME SIDE HERE!!!!  WE WILL SUPPORT the winner, let&#8217;s not let folks who are just cought up with the hipe divide us please, the republicans do enough of that!!!</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, spotter. I said I was disappointed. In fact, I hardly mentioned Obama at all. You are reading stuff that isn&#039;t there and that I haven&#039;t said. My attack at this point is on the the point that you made saying that Hillary&#039;s &lt;b&gt;single vote&lt;/b&gt; &quot;dragged us into the Iraq war,&quot; which is absurd. And where is the proof that Hillary &quot;did everything she personally could do to drag us into the Iraq war&quot;? Talk about an attack!

So let&#039;s be very clear: you think that because I&#039;m &quot;disappointed&quot; in the behavior of the leaders of the Democratic Party, that is somehow an attack on all Democrats who support Obama.

One heck of leap you are making there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, spotter. I said I was disappointed. In fact, I hardly mentioned Obama at all. You are reading stuff that isn&#8217;t there and that I haven&#8217;t said. My attack at this point is on the the point that you made saying that Hillary&#8217;s <b>single vote</b> &#8220;dragged us into the Iraq war,&#8221; which is absurd. And where is the proof that Hillary &#8220;did everything she personally could do to drag us into the Iraq war&#8221;? Talk about an attack!</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s be very clear: you think that because I&#8217;m &#8220;disappointed&#8221; in the behavior of the leaders of the Democratic Party, that is somehow an attack on all Democrats who support Obama.</p>
<p>One heck of leap you are making there</p>
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		<title>By: spotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>spotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Hillary Clinton did everything she personally could to drag us into the Iraq war, and defended her position long after more reasonable people had admitted their mistake.  As President, she WOULD be able to make these decisions unilaterally.  As for Democrats attacking Democrats, please read your post above and tell me honestly that you truly believe it isn&#039;t a straightforward attack on Democratic candidate Obama and on each and every enthusiastic Democratic Obama supporter in the room who took the time and trouble and expense to show up to this Democratic event and to support their Democratic candidate.  YOU are attacking fellow Democrats, Vivian, whether you understand that or not.  Worse yet, you&#039;re attacking what is almost certainly a MAJORITY of Virginia Democrats.

Just so we&#039;re clear, I was in a section of enthusiastic Obama supporters.  When Hillary Clinton came on, we rose, clapped, cheered, and continued to do so at many points throughout her speech as well as at the end.  I think she made some excellent points, although to me she looked like she was tired and still getting over the flu.  I only wish some of the Hillary Clinton supporters had been as polite, but apparently they cannot bring themselves to show other Democrats the courtesy they demand on behalf of their preferred candidate.

When people like Donna Brazile are threatening to quit the party over strongarm tactics from party leadership, it might be wise to step back and reconsider.  All those voters with their messy enthusiasm are going to have the final say, whether the Clinton camp likes it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Hillary Clinton did everything she personally could to drag us into the Iraq war, and defended her position long after more reasonable people had admitted their mistake.  As President, she WOULD be able to make these decisions unilaterally.  As for Democrats attacking Democrats, please read your post above and tell me honestly that you truly believe it isn&#8217;t a straightforward attack on Democratic candidate Obama and on each and every enthusiastic Democratic Obama supporter in the room who took the time and trouble and expense to show up to this Democratic event and to support their Democratic candidate.  YOU are attacking fellow Democrats, Vivian, whether you understand that or not.  Worse yet, you&#8217;re attacking what is almost certainly a MAJORITY of Virginia Democrats.</p>
<p>Just so we&#8217;re clear, I was in a section of enthusiastic Obama supporters.  When Hillary Clinton came on, we rose, clapped, cheered, and continued to do so at many points throughout her speech as well as at the end.  I think she made some excellent points, although to me she looked like she was tired and still getting over the flu.  I only wish some of the Hillary Clinton supporters had been as polite, but apparently they cannot bring themselves to show other Democrats the courtesy they demand on behalf of their preferred candidate.</p>
<p>When people like Donna Brazile are threatening to quit the party over strongarm tactics from party leadership, it might be wise to step back and reconsider.  All those voters with their messy enthusiasm are going to have the final say, whether the Clinton camp likes it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: proudvadem</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont really think the GOP get&#039;s the party loyalty thing. Did anyone see on CSPAN the boos that McCain got? ouch! They get pretty much heated too.
Let&#039;s just put it this way. I&#039;m a die hard, loyal to the core Redskins fan. However, I still love my friends who root for Dallas. Let&#039;s root for our team and not belittle the other team. At the end of the day, shake hands and share a beer.
I&#039;m still giddy over the fact that people are showing up to rallies, selling out the JJ, and making this party grow. I remember the horrible election night of 1994 when we lost everything but Chuck Robb. I remember the dark days of Allen, Gilmore, and cannot wait until 1/21/09. I remember the days when people didn&#039;t want to admit to even admit they were Democrats. I was proud to be a Virginia Dem then, and and am still proud today.
Us Democrats are a passionate bunch and we should be proud to have two phenomonal candidates.
Let&#039;s cheer Tuesday, regardless of who wins. We will have a large turnout for the Democrats and know confidently that come November we will have a Democratic victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont really think the GOP get&#8217;s the party loyalty thing. Did anyone see on CSPAN the boos that McCain got? ouch! They get pretty much heated too.<br />
Let&#8217;s just put it this way. I&#8217;m a die hard, loyal to the core Redskins fan. However, I still love my friends who root for Dallas. Let&#8217;s root for our team and not belittle the other team. At the end of the day, shake hands and share a beer.<br />
I&#8217;m still giddy over the fact that people are showing up to rallies, selling out the JJ, and making this party grow. I remember the horrible election night of 1994 when we lost everything but Chuck Robb. I remember the dark days of Allen, Gilmore, and cannot wait until 1/21/09. I remember the days when people didn&#8217;t want to admit to even admit they were Democrats. I was proud to be a Virginia Dem then, and and am still proud today.<br />
Us Democrats are a passionate bunch and we should be proud to have two phenomonal candidates.<br />
Let&#8217;s cheer Tuesday, regardless of who wins. We will have a large turnout for the Democrats and know confidently that come November we will have a Democratic victory.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it amusing that you say that Hillary &quot;dragged us into the Iraq war&quot; and then say that I haven&#039;t refuted your &quot;factual&quot; statements. Wow. Didn&#039;t know that one person&#039;s vote made the difference on our entry into the war. That&#039;s why I haven&#039;t wasted any energy refuting your &quot;factual&quot; statements because, well, they aren&#039;t &quot;factual.&quot;

As for Ds attacking Ds - well, if you want to have a hand in destroying the Democratic Party, then we have nothing more to talk about.This event was for &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; Democrats, not just the Hillhaters/Obamamaniacs. The Republicans get the party loyalty thing. It&#039;s a lesson so-called Democrats haven&#039;t learned yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it amusing that you say that Hillary &#8220;dragged us into the Iraq war&#8221; and then say that I haven&#8217;t refuted your &#8220;factual&#8221; statements. Wow. Didn&#8217;t know that one person&#8217;s vote made the difference on our entry into the war. That&#8217;s why I haven&#8217;t wasted any energy refuting your &#8220;factual&#8221; statements because, well, they aren&#8217;t &#8220;factual.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for Ds attacking Ds &#8211; well, if you want to have a hand in destroying the Democratic Party, then we have nothing more to talk about.This event was for <b>all</b> Democrats, not just the Hillhaters/Obamamaniacs. The Republicans get the party loyalty thing. It&#8217;s a lesson so-called Democrats haven&#8217;t learned yet.</p>
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		<title>By: spotter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have any more obligation to be objective than you do, Vivian, especially toward a candidate who dragged us into the Iraq war and is now pretending to be the anti-war candidate.  I judge candidates on their merits, positive and negative. I should note that you have not bothered to refute my factual statements, but instead insisted that a Democrat must not attack another Democrat.  I certainly don&#039;t think the Clinton campaign has lived up to that standard, and it has even argued that other candidates can&#039;t stand up to attacks.  My point was, the enthusiasm for Obama was genuine and widespread, and you should view that as a good thing, according to the standard that you have set for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any more obligation to be objective than you do, Vivian, especially toward a candidate who dragged us into the Iraq war and is now pretending to be the anti-war candidate.  I judge candidates on their merits, positive and negative. I should note that you have not bothered to refute my factual statements, but instead insisted that a Democrat must not attack another Democrat.  I certainly don&#8217;t think the Clinton campaign has lived up to that standard, and it has even argued that other candidates can&#8217;t stand up to attacks.  My point was, the enthusiasm for Obama was genuine and widespread, and you should view that as a good thing, according to the standard that you have set for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: linda b</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and eileen, Kaine is head of ALL  the democrats, not just the obama ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and eileen, Kaine is head of ALL  the democrats, not just the obama ones.</p>
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		<title>By: linda b</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vivian, I was there and I really thought it was inappropriate to have speeches by the elected virginians and all were supporting obama? what if hillary wins, where are they then? I felt sorry for hillary, I really did. I thought her speech was great and got to shake hands with her.
Why invite them both and ignore one of the invitees.
I also thought the venue was aweful. While it was nice to see so many young voters there, I saw people on the floor area encouraging them to make noise at the wrong time.
We get it, you are for Barrack, but nonstop barrage of chants made it look like it was a staged cheer.
Not exactly encouraging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian, I was there and I really thought it was inappropriate to have speeches by the elected virginians and all were supporting obama? what if hillary wins, where are they then? I felt sorry for hillary, I really did. I thought her speech was great and got to shake hands with her.<br />
Why invite them both and ignore one of the invitees.<br />
I also thought the venue was aweful. While it was nice to see so many young voters there, I saw people on the floor area encouraging them to make noise at the wrong time.<br />
We get it, you are for Barrack, but nonstop barrage of chants made it look like it was a staged cheer.<br />
Not exactly encouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Kaine as the head of the Democratic Party of Virginia allowed to say anything he wants?</description>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spotter, I&#039;ve no dog in this fight, but you&#039;re way way off in 1) calling Vivian intolerant and 2) putting her in the same class as Ben (about most anything, I&#039;d say).  Let&#039;s ease up a bit, okay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spotter, I&#8217;ve no dog in this fight, but you&#8217;re way way off in 1) calling Vivian intolerant and 2) putting her in the same class as Ben (about most anything, I&#8217;d say).  Let&#8217;s ease up a bit, okay?</p>
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		<title>By: proudvadem</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Vivian, 

I was at the Obama rally last night and I can tell you I did not hear ANY supporters trashing HRC. 
There are MANY Obama supporters who refuse to speak ill of another Democrat and simply want their candidate to win. 

I&#039;ve also thought about Kaine&#039;s intro at the JJ. He&#039;s a national co-chair of his campaign, he&#039;s supposed to be fired up. I didn&#039;t hear attacks. I just heard a lot of &quot;I had a feeling&quot;. He was enthusiastic as was the crowd.

Its sad to say, campaigns cant always control their supporters and we may have a few that mirror NLS. All in all, this is one of the most positive campaigns I have EVER seen.
It gives me hope, call me a &quot;hopemonger&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Vivian, </p>
<p>I was at the Obama rally last night and I can tell you I did not hear ANY supporters trashing HRC.<br />
There are MANY Obama supporters who refuse to speak ill of another Democrat and simply want their candidate to win. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also thought about Kaine&#8217;s intro at the JJ. He&#8217;s a national co-chair of his campaign, he&#8217;s supposed to be fired up. I didn&#8217;t hear attacks. I just heard a lot of &#8220;I had a feeling&#8221;. He was enthusiastic as was the crowd.</p>
<p>Its sad to say, campaigns cant always control their supporters and we may have a few that mirror NLS. All in all, this is one of the most positive campaigns I have EVER seen.<br />
It gives me hope, call me a &#8220;hopemonger&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing I will add - Obama was the only speaker at &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/02/18/jj-dinner/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;last year&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; JJ dinner and it didn&#039;t turn into a pep rally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing I will add &#8211; Obama was the only speaker at <a href="http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2007/02/18/jj-dinner/" rel="nofollow">last year&#8217;s</a> JJ dinner and it didn&#8217;t turn into a pep rally.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spotter - you are the &lt;b&gt;last&lt;/b&gt; person who should be leveling a charge about objectivity. Given the nature of your attacks on Hillary, that is an absolute joke. Show me a single write up about the dinner that said it was anything other than a Obama pep rally. 

As for tolerance - what I won&#039;t tolerate is Democrats trashing Democrats, something many Obama supporters, including yourself, think is OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spotter &#8211; you are the <b>last</b> person who should be leveling a charge about objectivity. Given the nature of your attacks on Hillary, that is an absolute joke. Show me a single write up about the dinner that said it was anything other than a Obama pep rally. </p>
<p>As for tolerance &#8211; what I won&#8217;t tolerate is Democrats trashing Democrats, something many Obama supporters, including yourself, think is OK.</p>
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		<title>By: kayinmaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>kayinmaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vivian, I know you&#039;re a Hillary supporter, but I just wanted to say I am so proud of the state of Maine Democrats today who chose Barack Obama yesterday in our caucuses.....in the middle of snow storm with blizzard conditions I may add! 

Our country has come a long way. It&#039;s wonderful. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian, I know you&#8217;re a Hillary supporter, but I just wanted to say I am so proud of the state of Maine Democrats today who chose Barack Obama yesterday in our caucuses&#8230;..in the middle of snow storm with blizzard conditions I may add! </p>
<p>Our country has come a long way. It&#8217;s wonderful. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: spotter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you missed the part where Doug Wilder pointed out the parallel to himself and Mary Sue Terry.  Really, Vivian, this whole post just points out your own lack of objectivity, to which you are certainly entitled.  Enthusiasm for a Democratic candidate is a good thing, whether it be Obama or Clinton.  If people at the JJ were more enthusiastic about Obama, that should tell you something.  You (and Ben) do not seem very tolerant of those who disagree with you, even though those people are in the clear majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you missed the part where Doug Wilder pointed out the parallel to himself and Mary Sue Terry.  Really, Vivian, this whole post just points out your own lack of objectivity, to which you are certainly entitled.  Enthusiasm for a Democratic candidate is a good thing, whether it be Obama or Clinton.  If people at the JJ were more enthusiastic about Obama, that should tell you something.  You (and Ben) do not seem very tolerant of those who disagree with you, even though those people are in the clear majority.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Jennifer did in her introduction was speak of Hillary being an inspiration. Not at all like Kaine&#039;s introduction.

As for the length - well, I knew going in that it was going to be a long night. Not sure where Obama was before but I&#039;ve known for a while that he wasn&#039;t scheduled to be there until after 10pm. That&#039;s why the event ran so late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Jennifer did in her introduction was speak of Hillary being an inspiration. Not at all like Kaine&#8217;s introduction.</p>
<p>As for the length &#8211; well, I knew going in that it was going to be a long night. Not sure where Obama was before but I&#8217;ve known for a while that he wasn&#8217;t scheduled to be there until after 10pm. That&#8217;s why the event ran so late.</p>
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		<title>By: cvllelaw</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/02/10/jj-dinner-wrapup/comment-page-1/#comment-117484</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vivian:

I have to say that I didn&#039;t react to the introductions the same way that you did -- perhaps because I am supporting Obama?  I would  have shared your reaction to Doug Wilder had he done anything more than he did -- had he made a sales pitch for Barack, for example.  But as a former black Presidential candidate himself, I think he can be forgiven for seeing with some pride (and wanting to comment oh so briefly) on Barack&#039;s success.  For those who were not there, what Wilder did was to say, at the end of his remarks, something to the effect that &quot;it is not my place to make this speech an endorsement, but I would be less than honest if I did not say that I hope Barack Obama is the nominee&quot; (or something like that).  The point is not exactly what words he used as much as the fact that he only used one sentence to do it.

I was actually out of the room when Jennifer McClellan gave her introduction of Hillary Clinton, so I don&#039;t know how it compares to Tim&#039;s rather boisterous introduction of Barack, but I figured that the whole purpose of an introduction is to fire up your folks to make some noise.  If Jennifer didn&#039;t do that as loudly as Tim did, that doesn&#039;t make Tim wrong or ill-mannered to have done so.

I also didn&#039;t have the sense that his speech was so anti-Hillary.  But I can&#039;t seem to find the transcript that I had found on line just a few hours ago.

All in all, the only thing that really offended me was that it took so damn long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian:</p>
<p>I have to say that I didn&#8217;t react to the introductions the same way that you did &#8212; perhaps because I am supporting Obama?  I would  have shared your reaction to Doug Wilder had he done anything more than he did &#8212; had he made a sales pitch for Barack, for example.  But as a former black Presidential candidate himself, I think he can be forgiven for seeing with some pride (and wanting to comment oh so briefly) on Barack&#8217;s success.  For those who were not there, what Wilder did was to say, at the end of his remarks, something to the effect that &#8220;it is not my place to make this speech an endorsement, but I would be less than honest if I did not say that I hope Barack Obama is the nominee&#8221; (or something like that).  The point is not exactly what words he used as much as the fact that he only used one sentence to do it.</p>
<p>I was actually out of the room when Jennifer McClellan gave her introduction of Hillary Clinton, so I don&#8217;t know how it compares to Tim&#8217;s rather boisterous introduction of Barack, but I figured that the whole purpose of an introduction is to fire up your folks to make some noise.  If Jennifer didn&#8217;t do that as loudly as Tim did, that doesn&#8217;t make Tim wrong or ill-mannered to have done so.</p>
<p>I also didn&#8217;t have the sense that his speech was so anti-Hillary.  But I can&#8217;t seem to find the transcript that I had found on line just a few hours ago.</p>
<p>All in all, the only thing that really offended me was that it took so damn long.</p>
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		<title>By: James Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was great seeing you Vivian... though I have to say- that had to be the longest thing I&#039;ve ever experienced in my life (though knowing I had the green dot helped :-P)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was great seeing you Vivian&#8230; though I have to say- that had to be the longest thing I&#8217;ve ever experienced in my life (though knowing I had the green dot helped <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> )!</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 03:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;ve heard that other JJ dinners are like that. Don&#039;t have to like it, though.</description>
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		<title>By: proudvadem</title>
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		<dc:creator>proudvadem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 03:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vivian, 
JJ dinners in other states ALWAYS seem to turn into tit-for-tat rallies. I think the DPVA did a better job than the IA Democratic party did when I worked in IA. Same with NM.
We haven&#039;t really had many heated primaries in VA. I was so shocked how the inter-party rivalries always seem to be more heated than the &quot;let&#039;s kick GOP butt&quot; fights.

I&#039;m glad you stayed through Obama&#039;s speech, I think it is very rude that some of the other bloggers (cough *NLS* cough) were rude and left. 
Thanks for a good wrap up of the event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian,<br />
JJ dinners in other states ALWAYS seem to turn into tit-for-tat rallies. I think the DPVA did a better job than the IA Democratic party did when I worked in IA. Same with NM.<br />
We haven&#8217;t really had many heated primaries in VA. I was so shocked how the inter-party rivalries always seem to be more heated than the &#8220;let&#8217;s kick GOP butt&#8221; fights.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you stayed through Obama&#8217;s speech, I think it is very rude that some of the other bloggers (cough *NLS* cough) were rude and left.<br />
Thanks for a good wrap up of the event.</p>
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