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		<title>By: Mark Brooks</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/02/26/payroll-tax-in-lieu-of-real-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-118901</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vivian - 
The study that Connie Brennan was using is actually more than one study. This is one of them:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coopercenter.org/institute/sitefiles/files/services/finalreport.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(PDF)Cooper Center&lt;/a&gt;

Lloyd Snook&#039;s article on the plan:

&lt;a&gt;Democratic Central - Connie Brennan&#039;s Property Tax Relief Act&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;1.  In 1999, the Virginia General Assembly, with Watkins Abbitt co-sponsoring, passed House Joint Resolution 578, creating a Commission on Virginia&#039;s State and Local Tax Structure for the 21st Century. http://leg1.state.va... That group issued a report in December, 2000, see http://www.coopercen... , that made some very specific recommendations about readjusting state income taxes, using the additional revenue to pay for the things that it is actually legally obligated to pay for (jails, mental health services, etc.), and then let the localities cut property taxes accordingly.  That report was filed in 2000, it was commented on briefly, and then ignored. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link for above cite:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?991+ful+HJ578ER&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HJ 578ER (1999)&lt;/a&gt;

More at Democratic Central.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian &#8211;<br />
The study that Connie Brennan was using is actually more than one study. This is one of them:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.coopercenter.org/institute/sitefiles/files/services/finalreport.pdf" rel="nofollow">(PDF)Cooper Center</a></p>
<p>Lloyd Snook&#8217;s article on the plan:</p>
<p><a>Democratic Central &#8211; Connie Brennan&#8217;s Property Tax Relief Act</a></p>
<blockquote><p>1.  In 1999, the Virginia General Assembly, with Watkins Abbitt co-sponsoring, passed House Joint Resolution 578, creating a Commission on Virginia&#8217;s State and Local Tax Structure for the 21st Century. <a href="http://leg1.state.va.." rel="nofollow">http://leg1.state.va..</a>. That group issued a report in December, 2000, see <a href="http://www.coopercen.." rel="nofollow">http://www.coopercen..</a>. , that made some very specific recommendations about readjusting state income taxes, using the additional revenue to pay for the things that it is actually legally obligated to pay for (jails, mental health services, etc.), and then let the localities cut property taxes accordingly.  That report was filed in 2000, it was commented on briefly, and then ignored. </p></blockquote>
<p>Link for above cite:</p>
<p><a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?991+ful+HJ578ER" rel="nofollow">HJ 578ER (1999)</a></p>
<p>More at Democratic Central.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/02/26/payroll-tax-in-lieu-of-real-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-118863</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I prefer the car tax -- it&#039;s purely voluntary.  I can drive an old clunker and not pay anything!!  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer the car tax &#8212; it&#8217;s purely voluntary.  I can drive an old clunker and not pay anything!!  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Newport News Dem</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/02/26/payroll-tax-in-lieu-of-real-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-118840</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Newport News Dem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walk down memory lane.

Grew up in Michigan and remember filing that city income tax form right along with the fed and state one. Was not that much of a tax, but that might have something to do with my $1.25 minimum wage burger job!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walk down memory lane.</p>
<p>Grew up in Michigan and remember filing that city income tax form right along with the fed and state one. Was not that much of a tax, but that might have something to do with my $1.25 minimum wage burger job!</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Mark - your comment got hung up in the spam filter, too.

Please do link that survey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mark &#8211; your comment got hung up in the spam filter, too.</p>
<p>Please do link that survey.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Brooks</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/02/26/payroll-tax-in-lieu-of-real-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-118805</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Denver had a &#039;head tax&#039; for years. I am unaware if it still exists. If you worked in Denver but lived elsewhere, you paid a payroll tax. 

Elsewhere, outside the stupid Dillon Rule nonsense, things like water districts and transportation districts are allowed, and are operated by local citizenry, and don&#039;t require the state&#039;s permission.

These are just examples, of course.

We get to have a dump in tiny Cumberland County, mostly because that&#039;s the opportunity that can be exploited without a lot of permission from someone in the legislature. As it is, the trash industry has powerful friends. If the county could even put on a meals tax they could raise some money. It works for Farmville, who, as a town can levy these sorts of revenue raisers.

If the Commonwealth paid for the things they require of counties, towns and cities, the property taxes would go down $.10. Prisons, Social Services, some Health Department mandates, all are required by the state, but not fully paid for by the state.

I&#039;ll look up the 2000 study that talked about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denver had a &#8216;head tax&#8217; for years. I am unaware if it still exists. If you worked in Denver but lived elsewhere, you paid a payroll tax. </p>
<p>Elsewhere, outside the stupid Dillon Rule nonsense, things like water districts and transportation districts are allowed, and are operated by local citizenry, and don&#8217;t require the state&#8217;s permission.</p>
<p>These are just examples, of course.</p>
<p>We get to have a dump in tiny Cumberland County, mostly because that&#8217;s the opportunity that can be exploited without a lot of permission from someone in the legislature. As it is, the trash industry has powerful friends. If the county could even put on a meals tax they could raise some money. It works for Farmville, who, as a town can levy these sorts of revenue raisers.</p>
<p>If the Commonwealth paid for the things they require of counties, towns and cities, the property taxes would go down $.10. Prisons, Social Services, some Health Department mandates, all are required by the state, but not fully paid for by the state.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look up the 2000 study that talked about this.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry - your comment got hung up in my spam filter. 

A lot of states have local income taxes to get the folks that use the services (like roads) to help pay for them. I think there is an argument for either solution (regarding who should pay the higher tax, residents or nonresidents) or for the rates to be the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; your comment got hung up in my spam filter. </p>
<p>A lot of states have local income taxes to get the folks that use the services (like roads) to help pay for them. I think there is an argument for either solution (regarding who should pay the higher tax, residents or nonresidents) or for the rates to be the same.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eileen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Pilot really should, as you suggest, post a notice re: the Dillon Rule.  Below each dreamy LTE there should be an &quot;*&quot; where the &quot;*&quot; is labeled &quot;This is a Dillon Rule state.  Localities can&#039;t do shit like this.&quot;

But I do have a question re: this suggestion of a payroll tax.  Shouldn&#039;t the folks living in one jurisdiction but working in another pay the larger tax?  I know DC tried to do something this a few years back to help pay for some of their roads that so many Marylanders and Virginians use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pilot really should, as you suggest, post a notice re: the Dillon Rule.  Below each dreamy LTE there should be an &#8220;*&#8221; where the &#8220;*&#8221; is labeled &#8220;This is a Dillon Rule state.  Localities can&#8217;t do shit like this.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I do have a question re: this suggestion of a payroll tax.  Shouldn&#8217;t the folks living in one jurisdiction but working in another pay the larger tax?  I know DC tried to do something this a few years back to help pay for some of their roads that so many Marylanders and Virginians use.</p>
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