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	<title>Comments on: Opinion, please: local income tax</title>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130876</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO!! NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, !!!!NNNOOOO!!!!

Good grief, NO!!! Have you &lt;em&gt;completely&lt;/em&gt; lost your mind, Viv? If Virginia beach imposes an income tax, I move to Chesapeake. If all Chesapeake does, I move to Moyock. If something this idiotic is even discussed in N.C., I move to New Hampshire, where the citizenry would likely burn down the town hall before a local income tax would be imposed. And If I would vacate Tidewater, you can bet many, many others would do so as well. Probably before I would make it out of town.

Wanna turn the seven cities into the seven ghost towns? Go ahead with an idea like this. It&#039;s a guarantee. You think the regional tax rip-off and the abusive driver fees...

(abusive cop scams is a more accurate name for that debacle, but I digress)

...fell hard and fast? This idea would fall like a stone, as Tidewater empties and property values plummet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO!! NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, !!!!NNNOOOO!!!!</p>
<p>Good grief, NO!!! Have you <em>completely</em> lost your mind, Viv? If Virginia beach imposes an income tax, I move to Chesapeake. If all Chesapeake does, I move to Moyock. If something this idiotic is even discussed in N.C., I move to New Hampshire, where the citizenry would likely burn down the town hall before a local income tax would be imposed. And If I would vacate Tidewater, you can bet many, many others would do so as well. Probably before I would make it out of town.</p>
<p>Wanna turn the seven cities into the seven ghost towns? Go ahead with an idea like this. It&#8217;s a guarantee. You think the regional tax rip-off and the abusive driver fees&#8230;</p>
<p>(abusive cop scams is a more accurate name for that debacle, but I digress)</p>
<p>&#8230;fell hard and fast? This idea would fall like a stone, as Tidewater empties and property values plummet.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130760</link>
		<dc:creator>vjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mouse - the car tax is not something that I see a lot of in other states. However, most of them do not labor under the Dillon Rule. And most of them have higher income tax rates than VA has.

tx2vadem - I didn&#039;t mean that the income tax should be used for transportation. I was thinking in much more general terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mouse &#8211; the car tax is not something that I see a lot of in other states. However, most of them do not labor under the Dillon Rule. And most of them have higher income tax rates than VA has.</p>
<p>tx2vadem &#8211; I didn&#8217;t mean that the income tax should be used for transportation. I was thinking in much more general terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130748</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E. Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think a rent tax is the way to go.</description>
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		<title>By: tx2vadem</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130747</link>
		<dc:creator>tx2vadem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For transportation, I don&#039;t care for the idea.  I would prefer that the taxes more directly relate to transportation.  I like the idea of user fees too.  I think it is important that people appreciate the cost of the transportation infrastructure they use.  That will help all of us make informed decisions about how we choose to live and how we plan our communities.

But as a source for general county revenues, I think it is a good idea.  It would be nice if the counties had a more diverse taxation structure rather than relying so heavily on real estate taxes.  Up in NoVA that has forced many of the counties to increase the rate to keep up with falling real estate prices.  I would like us to get rid of personal property tax and maybe an local option on the income tax could help us do that.  Also, PPT seems like a bad idea because your tax base is depreciating every year (or at least I think it would on a net basis factoring in new purchases).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For transportation, I don&#8217;t care for the idea.  I would prefer that the taxes more directly relate to transportation.  I like the idea of user fees too.  I think it is important that people appreciate the cost of the transportation infrastructure they use.  That will help all of us make informed decisions about how we choose to live and how we plan our communities.</p>
<p>But as a source for general county revenues, I think it is a good idea.  It would be nice if the counties had a more diverse taxation structure rather than relying so heavily on real estate taxes.  Up in NoVA that has forced many of the counties to increase the rate to keep up with falling real estate prices.  I would like us to get rid of personal property tax and maybe an local option on the income tax could help us do that.  Also, PPT seems like a bad idea because your tax base is depreciating every year (or at least I think it would on a net basis factoring in new purchases).</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130735</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E. Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vivian -- do many localities have both an income tax and a car tax?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian &#8212; do many localities have both an income tax and a car tax?</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130733</link>
		<dc:creator>vjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mouse - I&#039;ve never heard anything about the car tax being in lieu of a local income tax. 

Don - I threw out &lt;b&gt;my&lt;/b&gt; opinion on the way I&#039;ve seen the tax implemented in other areas. NYC, for example, or Cleveland. That is not the way the code is written.

anon - I agree that it&#039;s not wasteful to have the state - which is already in the business of collecting income taxes - to collect the local tax. I believe that is the way that the other states handle it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mouse &#8211; I&#8217;ve never heard anything about the car tax being in lieu of a local income tax. </p>
<p>Don &#8211; I threw out <b>my</b> opinion on the way I&#8217;ve seen the tax implemented in other areas. NYC, for example, or Cleveland. That is not the way the code is written.</p>
<p>anon &#8211; I agree that it&#8217;s not wasteful to have the state &#8211; which is already in the business of collecting income taxes &#8211; to collect the local tax. I believe that is the way that the other states handle it.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not necessarily sure I agree that it&#039;s wasteful bureaucracy if the state&#039;s revenue agents who are charged with assessing the state income tax also assess a local income tax.  If the local government is responsible for collecting and enforcing a local income tax, that would mean you have three government revenue services (federal, state, and local) doing the same job--assessing, collecting, and enforcing payment on the same individual&#039;s income tax.  I&#039;m all for making sure the localities get to spend the money the way they want, but surely we&#039;ve duplicated this process enough times already?

As for the tax itself, I&#039;m agnostic.  One way or another, the city is going to get the money it needs to keep running, so I&#039;m going to pay whatever method they use.  I suppose an income tax beats worrying about how much our assessed home values will be arbitrarily increased each year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not necessarily sure I agree that it&#8217;s wasteful bureaucracy if the state&#8217;s revenue agents who are charged with assessing the state income tax also assess a local income tax.  If the local government is responsible for collecting and enforcing a local income tax, that would mean you have three government revenue services (federal, state, and local) doing the same job&#8211;assessing, collecting, and enforcing payment on the same individual&#8217;s income tax.  I&#8217;m all for making sure the localities get to spend the money the way they want, but surely we&#8217;ve duplicated this process enough times already?</p>
<p>As for the tax itself, I&#8217;m agnostic.  One way or another, the city is going to get the money it needs to keep running, so I&#8217;m going to pay whatever method they use.  I suppose an income tax beats worrying about how much our assessed home values will be arbitrarily increased each year.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Tabor</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130729</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Norfolk were to impose an income tax on income earned here regardless of where you live, (I live in Chesapeake)  that would be taxation without representation, would it not?

I already pay 4X the property tax rate on my business equipment as homeowners pay, in addition to the BPOL tax, and I have no say in how much tax is assessed or how it is spent. If Norfolk were to add an income tax as well, I think that would be the last straw. I&#039;d close this practice and reopen where I vote. I suspect many businesses would do the same, relocating to nearby cities without an income tax. 

Give it 10 years and Norfolk would be nothing but government offices and housing projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Norfolk were to impose an income tax on income earned here regardless of where you live, (I live in Chesapeake)  that would be taxation without representation, would it not?</p>
<p>I already pay 4X the property tax rate on my business equipment as homeowners pay, in addition to the BPOL tax, and I have no say in how much tax is assessed or how it is spent. If Norfolk were to add an income tax as well, I think that would be the last straw. I&#8217;d close this practice and reopen where I vote. I suspect many businesses would do the same, relocating to nearby cities without an income tax. </p>
<p>Give it 10 years and Norfolk would be nothing but government offices and housing projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130727</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E. Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with MB on this one.  The tax money should not go through the state government at all (that&#039;s just wasteful bureaucracy), and the localities should be able to spend it as they see fit.  (I may not agree with what MB wants to spend the money one, but that is why we have states and localities, so that different things can be tried different places, and people can live in places that suit them.)

However, the reason we do not have a local income tax, I thought, was that the car tax was supposed to provide that local income.  I do not want both an income tax and a car tax, any more than I would support a federal consumption tax without a repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with MB on this one.  The tax money should not go through the state government at all (that&#8217;s just wasteful bureaucracy), and the localities should be able to spend it as they see fit.  (I may not agree with what MB wants to spend the money one, but that is why we have states and localities, so that different things can be tried different places, and people can live in places that suit them.)</p>
<p>However, the reason we do not have a local income tax, I thought, was that the car tax was supposed to provide that local income.  I do not want both an income tax and a car tax, any more than I would support a federal consumption tax without a repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130726</link>
		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, but even if the locality raises the money, that doesn&#039;t necessarily mean we&#039;d be able to spend it as we pleased (see, e.g., Arlington&#039;s repeated and failed attempts to provide equality in benefits over the years).

A local income tax is not a solution I&#039;d reach for first, but I think that - short of a significant change in leadership in Richmond - it&#039;s one that NoVA will have to start looking at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but even if the locality raises the money, that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean we&#8217;d be able to spend it as we pleased (see, e.g., Arlington&#8217;s repeated and failed attempts to provide equality in benefits over the years).</p>
<p>A local income tax is not a solution I&#8217;d reach for first, but I think that &#8211; short of a significant change in leadership in Richmond &#8211; it&#8217;s one that NoVA will have to start looking at.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130725</link>
		<dc:creator>vjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Code actually lays out the mechanism for collecting the tax and remitting it to the localities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Code actually lays out the mechanism for collecting the tax and remitting it to the localities.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/13/opinion-please-local-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-130723</link>
		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toss the sunset out (that just kills planning), convince me that the money stays here *and* that it could be spent as the locality pleased, I&#039;d be in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toss the sunset out (that just kills planning), convince me that the money stays here *and* that it could be spent as the locality pleased, I&#8217;d be in.</p>
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