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		<title>By: Tanya</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tanya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If those elected would ensure transparency and open government in their positions, far more would have enough interest in their local politics to recognize their representatives.  Vivian Page: The reason people don&#039;t know is because politicians don&#039;t really want them to know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If those elected would ensure transparency and open government in their positions, far more would have enough interest in their local politics to recognize their representatives.  Vivian Page: The reason people don&#8217;t know is because politicians don&#8217;t really want them to know.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I apologize Brian; I shouldn&#039;t have submitted that comment.

I mean, it was a basketball game, after all....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize Brian; I shouldn&#8217;t have submitted that comment.</p>
<p>I mean, it was a basketball game, after all&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pfft.  As the little indian quilt tiles have proven, I am in fact the only person who posts as &quot;anonymous&quot; on Vivian&#039;s blog.  It&#039;s simply the least-creative psuedonymn ever.  Just because I don&#039;t want people taking pictures of me and mocking my jean shorts at Bobby Mathieson&#039;s football games doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m not standing by my comments. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pfft.  As the little indian quilt tiles have proven, I am in fact the only person who posts as &#8220;anonymous&#8221; on Vivian&#8217;s blog.  It&#8217;s simply the least-creative psuedonymn ever.  Just because I don&#8217;t want people taking pictures of me and mocking my jean shorts at Bobby Mathieson&#8217;s football games doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m not standing by my comments. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ALL voters should be required to pass the same test the immigrants have to pass before they can vote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL voters should be required to pass the same test the immigrants have to pass before they can vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131696</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;[Perhaps] they will pay more attention and learn something....&quot;

I love it when your naivete shows through!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[Perhaps] they will pay more attention and learn something&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love it when your naivete shows through!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131694</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anon, I didn&#039;t say whether it was good or bad.  I just said it exists, unlike your name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, I didn&#8217;t say whether it was good or bad.  I just said it exists, unlike your name.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point.  Screw the Department of the Army for wanting the government to nationally standardize some aspects of education so recruits from Scranton started boot camp on equal footing with recruits from the Philadelphia.  Also, that activist Federal court intervention in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka?  Screw that too.

*rolls eyes*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  Screw the Department of the Army for wanting the government to nationally standardize some aspects of education so recruits from Scranton started boot camp on equal footing with recruits from the Philadelphia.  Also, that activist Federal court intervention in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka?  Screw that too.</p>
<p>*rolls eyes*</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vivian, yes we have, but since the beginning of this nation have those three layers been so infused in our lives?  Who runs education?  Local, state, federal?  That question would be easy to answer in 1790.  Today?  I could write a treatise about each one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian, yes we have, but since the beginning of this nation have those three layers been so infused in our lives?  Who runs education?  Local, state, federal?  That question would be easy to answer in 1790.  Today?  I could write a treatise about each one.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mouse - my thought is that perhaps they will pay more attention and learn something. That is not inconsistent.

BK - knowing the differences between federal, state and local government is not overly complex. Haven&#039;t we had these three layers almost since the beginning of this nation?

Stephen - the closer government is to the people, the more the government plays an important role and the more influence the people have. Who sets the real estate tax rates? Who sets the water rates? Who decides whether we need a new facility or a new school? Those decisions affect our lives every day. 

Terry - I understand your frustration. But take a look at the TJ quote in my sidebar. Educating the voters is the key. But the politicians haven&#039;t shown any desire to do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mouse &#8211; my thought is that perhaps they will pay more attention and learn something. That is not inconsistent.</p>
<p>BK &#8211; knowing the differences between federal, state and local government is not overly complex. Haven&#8217;t we had these three layers almost since the beginning of this nation?</p>
<p>Stephen &#8211; the closer government is to the people, the more the government plays an important role and the more influence the people have. Who sets the real estate tax rates? Who sets the water rates? Who decides whether we need a new facility or a new school? Those decisions affect our lives every day. </p>
<p>Terry &#8211; I understand your frustration. But take a look at the TJ quote in my sidebar. Educating the voters is the key. But the politicians haven&#8217;t shown any desire to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Sgt. Stryker once said, Brian - &quot;Life is tough, but it&#039;s tougher if you&#039;re stupid.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Sgt. Stryker once said, Brian &#8211; &#8220;Life is tough, but it&#8217;s tougher if you&#8217;re stupid.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Terry M</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At minimum, voting adults should be able to tell the difference between a national or state/local issue and ought to know who their elected officials are at those levels. This information is hardly a secret, especially with tools like Google to help the uninformed. 

I don&#039;t buy the excuse that they are too busy with other pressures in life. We make time for what is important and too many Americans do not take government service seriously or make understanding it a part of their lives. Of course, the media and popular culture has only added to the problem by making the term &quot;politician&quot; a bad name. 

And then there are the political parties and candidates that insist on running against &quot;Washington&quot; or &quot;Richmond&quot;, making the case that a strong government is a bad thing and that governmnet&#039;s sole role is to attack &quot;the people&quot;. Cue the flags and film of families with happy children listening intently to a candidate trash &quot;big goverment&quot;... 

I used to think that everyone had a duty to vote in every election. After years of working on campaigns and serving as an election officer, I&#039;m now convinced that those who choose to ignore current events and are too lazy to research the issues and candidates should just stay home and watch their favorite reality show instead. It&#039;s people like that who have given us the likes of George Bush and the current republican party hacks in government.

So to put it in a sound bite for the general public, if all this government stuff  is too hard for you to understand, just stay home and leave the voting to the rest of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At minimum, voting adults should be able to tell the difference between a national or state/local issue and ought to know who their elected officials are at those levels. This information is hardly a secret, especially with tools like Google to help the uninformed. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy the excuse that they are too busy with other pressures in life. We make time for what is important and too many Americans do not take government service seriously or make understanding it a part of their lives. Of course, the media and popular culture has only added to the problem by making the term &#8220;politician&#8221; a bad name. </p>
<p>And then there are the political parties and candidates that insist on running against &#8220;Washington&#8221; or &#8220;Richmond&#8221;, making the case that a strong government is a bad thing and that governmnet&#8217;s sole role is to attack &#8220;the people&#8221;. Cue the flags and film of families with happy children listening intently to a candidate trash &#8220;big goverment&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>I used to think that everyone had a duty to vote in every election. After years of working on campaigns and serving as an election officer, I&#8217;m now convinced that those who choose to ignore current events and are too lazy to research the issues and candidates should just stay home and watch their favorite reality show instead. It&#8217;s people like that who have given us the likes of George Bush and the current republican party hacks in government.</p>
<p>So to put it in a sound bite for the general public, if all this government stuff  is too hard for you to understand, just stay home and leave the voting to the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 07:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the civics and government education citizens receive is not sufficient.  However, people are understandably focused on their own lives.  Many people do not see how local politics and to a certain extent they are correct.  Thus if their vote, political involvement, or knowledge of the political process does not seem to directly affect them, self-interest dictates that they focus on more immediate concerns such as tomorrow&#039;s weather or what is for dinner.  Thus without a grand spectacle like a presidential election I suspect political interest will over all continue to remain low.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the civics and government education citizens receive is not sufficient.  However, people are understandably focused on their own lives.  Many people do not see how local politics and to a certain extent they are correct.  Thus if their vote, political involvement, or knowledge of the political process does not seem to directly affect them, self-interest dictates that they focus on more immediate concerns such as tomorrow&#8217;s weather or what is for dinner.  Thus without a grand spectacle like a presidential election I suspect political interest will over all continue to remain low.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-2/#comment-131652</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 07:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I look at this issue totally the other way.  The problem isn&#039;t the people.  The problem is government.  I find it odd that while we&#039;ve grown a government overly complex and overly burdensome, that when people don&#039;t understand it, we blame the people.  

The people are right.  American Government shouldn&#039;t be the maze that it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I look at this issue totally the other way.  The problem isn&#8217;t the people.  The problem is government.  I find it odd that while we&#8217;ve grown a government overly complex and overly burdensome, that when people don&#8217;t understand it, we blame the people.  </p>
<p>The people are right.  American Government shouldn&#8217;t be the maze that it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-1/#comment-131643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 03:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What confuses me, is that you seem to be lamenting that ignoramuses will be voting in November, but you have advocated moving local elections to November.  Why?  So you can have more ignoramuses voting for city council?

If they&#039;re not willing to show up in the Spring, why would they do any research in the Fall?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What confuses me, is that you seem to be lamenting that ignoramuses will be voting in November, but you have advocated moving local elections to November.  Why?  So you can have more ignoramuses voting for city council?</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re not willing to show up in the Spring, why would they do any research in the Fall?</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-1/#comment-131642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morlocks and Eloi? No idea what you&#039;re talking about here but I think I get your point. Yes, there are a lot of folks who get don&#039;t want to get bogged down in the details - of anything, including politics. We call them the &quot;big picture&quot; folks. But it really is possible to see the big picture and still be able to see the &quot;trees.&quot; 

Students have an excuse, Ian. They are young :) But the older folks? I think tx2vadem hit it on the head: apathy. That&#039;s why they call them federal voters, tx. They only show up once every 4 years (if that). And I&#039;m with you - I doubt we&#039;ll see any fundamental change in participation after the election.

I wish it were different. I really do. It would be so much easier on all of us. From where I sit, one thing that might be accomplished is that not only would more people be involved, more people would be running for office. And I think the cost of running would fall, because instead of all that paid staff, there would be a larger portion that is made up of volunteers. 

Oh well. A gal can hope, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morlocks and Eloi? No idea what you&#8217;re talking about here but I think I get your point. Yes, there are a lot of folks who get don&#8217;t want to get bogged down in the details &#8211; of anything, including politics. We call them the &#8220;big picture&#8221; folks. But it really is possible to see the big picture and still be able to see the &#8220;trees.&#8221; </p>
<p>Students have an excuse, Ian. They are young <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But the older folks? I think tx2vadem hit it on the head: apathy. That&#8217;s why they call them federal voters, tx. They only show up once every 4 years (if that). And I&#8217;m with you &#8211; I doubt we&#8217;ll see any fundamental change in participation after the election.</p>
<p>I wish it were different. I really do. It would be so much easier on all of us. From where I sit, one thing that might be accomplished is that not only would more people be involved, more people would be running for office. And I think the cost of running would fall, because instead of all that paid staff, there would be a larger portion that is made up of volunteers. </p>
<p>Oh well. A gal can hope, right?</p>
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		<title>By: tx2vadem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tx2vadem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is so frustrating.  And I just wonder how you remedy it.  I have encountered this as well.  Even when it comes to very local participation, like HOAs and Civic Associations, there is a lack of interest.  In addition, I encounter just apathy.  You can tell people about serious issues in state government and they don&#039;t care enough do anything about it.  This coal fired power plant in SW VA is a perfect example.  If a substantial number of people in Dominion&#039;s service territory (NoVA and Hampton Roads) wrote the governor and their state reps, Dominion would cave on this.  I can only guess that people don&#039;t care because it isn&#039;t in their backyard and/or there desire to be green is only superficial.  Maybe they don&#039;t know the toxic air pollutants that coal plants produce.

We have all of these big issues facing our country, but people either don&#039;t care or don&#039;t care enough.  The media has been saying that all these new people that Obama is bringing out will have a lasting impact on political participation in America.  I happen to hold a more pessimistic view.  I think a lot of these people will just fade back into society after this process is over.  It will be: &quot;I got him elected, now I am done.&quot;  We&#039;ll see though.

It seems that we are not able to deal with problems until whatever fire it happens to be is burning our house down.  What makes us so focused on short-term rewards and neglect long-term consequences?  How do we get greater participation and a more informed public?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so frustrating.  And I just wonder how you remedy it.  I have encountered this as well.  Even when it comes to very local participation, like HOAs and Civic Associations, there is a lack of interest.  In addition, I encounter just apathy.  You can tell people about serious issues in state government and they don&#8217;t care enough do anything about it.  This coal fired power plant in SW VA is a perfect example.  If a substantial number of people in Dominion&#8217;s service territory (NoVA and Hampton Roads) wrote the governor and their state reps, Dominion would cave on this.  I can only guess that people don&#8217;t care because it isn&#8217;t in their backyard and/or there desire to be green is only superficial.  Maybe they don&#8217;t know the toxic air pollutants that coal plants produce.</p>
<p>We have all of these big issues facing our country, but people either don&#8217;t care or don&#8217;t care enough.  The media has been saying that all these new people that Obama is bringing out will have a lasting impact on political participation in America.  I happen to hold a more pessimistic view.  I think a lot of these people will just fade back into society after this process is over.  It will be: &#8220;I got him elected, now I am done.&#8221;  We&#8217;ll see though.</p>
<p>It seems that we are not able to deal with problems until whatever fire it happens to be is burning our house down.  What makes us so focused on short-term rewards and neglect long-term consequences?  How do we get greater participation and a more informed public?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All very true. Even worse than these professionals and lack of knowledge on the local level is the whole generational swath of ignorance on every level. 65% of students, i would bet, would not know who John McCain is. They are the ultimate personality voters, being far too apathetic about anything to truly make choices on policy; at any level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very true. Even worse than these professionals and lack of knowledge on the local level is the whole generational swath of ignorance on every level. 65% of students, i would bet, would not know who John McCain is. They are the ultimate personality voters, being far too apathetic about anything to truly make choices on policy; at any level.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True.  Please don&#039;t burn my house down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.  Please don&#8217;t burn my house down.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You forgot anarchists, MB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot anarchists, MB.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-1/#comment-131626</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only in the mind of paranoid libertarians and spinning conservatives, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only in the mind of paranoid libertarians and spinning conservatives, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-1/#comment-131625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Mataconis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vivian,

One thought:

Is it possible that when it comes to &quot;the government&quot; most people think only of Washington and the Feds simply due to the fact that the Federal Government has become such an all pervasive part of American life that it&#039;s only natural for them to assume that Washington ---- rather than Richmond, or City Hall, or the County BOCS --- is responsible for what ails them ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian,</p>
<p>One thought:</p>
<p>Is it possible that when it comes to &#8220;the government&#8221; most people think only of Washington and the Feds simply due to the fact that the Federal Government has become such an all pervasive part of American life that it&#8217;s only natural for them to assume that Washington &#8212;- rather than Richmond, or City Hall, or the County BOCS &#8212; is responsible for what ails them ?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Wilson</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-1/#comment-131617</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you comment was outstanding.  You clearly stated a problem that is endemic in our society.  It does not only apply to pollitics but in all sectors.  People recognize the forest but not the trees. It is only those interested in learning about the trees that know anything about the forest.  Unfortunately  those that know are in the minority and have to live with the dicisions of the majority.... those who do not know the trees.  Sometimes those decisions are not so great!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you comment was outstanding.  You clearly stated a problem that is endemic in our society.  It does not only apply to pollitics but in all sectors.  People recognize the forest but not the trees. It is only those interested in learning about the trees that know anything about the forest.  Unfortunately  those that know are in the minority and have to live with the dicisions of the majority&#8230;. those who do not know the trees.  Sometimes those decisions are not so great!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-1/#comment-131613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 17:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[?!

Morlocks and Eloi? If I remember my H.G. Wells, Morlocks ate Eloi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?!</p>
<p>Morlocks and Eloi? If I remember my H.G. Wells, Morlocks ate Eloi.</p>
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		<title>By: snolan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[snolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are those who want to be Eloi, they don&#039;t want to know the details of how things work.  Those who want to be Morlocks, they thrive on the nitty-gritty details and enjoy learning the process inside and out.

Since everyone has the right to vote, wether they are Morlocks or Eloi by tendency, one hopes that the Morlocks of the political world will work hard to stay in tough with lots of Eloi and to remain professional and patient when explaining things to them; so come election time the Morlocks can inject and little sensible wisdom into the Eloi and help them vote.

The trick is finding the hot-button that actually motivates an Eloi to become a Morlock on an issue or two...

Thank you for being helpful and patient Vivian, you rock... and thank you also for understanding how the system works.  People like you make democracy possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are those who want to be Eloi, they don&#8217;t want to know the details of how things work.  Those who want to be Morlocks, they thrive on the nitty-gritty details and enjoy learning the process inside and out.</p>
<p>Since everyone has the right to vote, wether they are Morlocks or Eloi by tendency, one hopes that the Morlocks of the political world will work hard to stay in tough with lots of Eloi and to remain professional and patient when explaining things to them; so come election time the Morlocks can inject and little sensible wisdom into the Eloi and help them vote.</p>
<p>The trick is finding the hot-button that actually motivates an Eloi to become a Morlock on an issue or two&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you for being helpful and patient Vivian, you rock&#8230; and thank you also for understanding how the system works.  People like you make democracy possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-1/#comment-131604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In defense of my point, though, even knowing how stuff works is an exercise in futility. &lt;em&gt;Most&lt;/em&gt; of the laws made these days on all levels of government violate either U.S. or state constitution. If the elected bureaucrats don&#039;t adhere to their own laws, How does one keep up with how stuff works?

You can&#039;t even use the courts to change this anymore. SCOTUS recently heard a case where the We the People organization tried to get the IRS to answer some questions, using the redress of grievances clause of the constitution. SCOTUS essentially decided that redress of grievances doesn&#039;t require any government agency to actually &lt;em&gt;answer&lt;/em&gt; anyone&#039;s grievances.

So what the hell good is it, then? 

In California, medical marijuana has been made legal, and there are dispensaries around the state, where they sell it, by prescription. The DEA has used federal laws as a premise to raid these dispensaries, then seize the cash and the product. But they don&#039;t place anyone under arrest. If they would arrest somebody and bring charges their would be a hearing, and due process. The feds would have to justify their raid. State authority vs. federal would be at issue in a public court. But by taking the cash without an arrest, the burden of proof is on the property owner to prove that they didn&#039;t obtain the cash by illicit means.

Knowing how stuff works is useless when the bureaucrats move the goalposts arbitrarily, and the courts won&#039;t stop them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In defense of my point, though, even knowing how stuff works is an exercise in futility. <em>Most</em> of the laws made these days on all levels of government violate either U.S. or state constitution. If the elected bureaucrats don&#8217;t adhere to their own laws, How does one keep up with how stuff works?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t even use the courts to change this anymore. SCOTUS recently heard a case where the We the People organization tried to get the IRS to answer some questions, using the redress of grievances clause of the constitution. SCOTUS essentially decided that redress of grievances doesn&#8217;t require any government agency to actually <em>answer</em> anyone&#8217;s grievances.</p>
<p>So what the hell good is it, then? </p>
<p>In California, medical marijuana has been made legal, and there are dispensaries around the state, where they sell it, by prescription. The DEA has used federal laws as a premise to raid these dispensaries, then seize the cash and the product. But they don&#8217;t place anyone under arrest. If they would arrest somebody and bring charges their would be a hearing, and due process. The feds would have to justify their raid. State authority vs. federal would be at issue in a public court. But by taking the cash without an arrest, the burden of proof is on the property owner to prove that they didn&#8217;t obtain the cash by illicit means.</p>
<p>Knowing how stuff works is useless when the bureaucrats move the goalposts arbitrarily, and the courts won&#8217;t stop them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-1/#comment-131603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I appreciate that point, believe me. I use a different phrase than &quot;all politics is local&quot;, though. I prefer to point out that &quot;just because you&#039;re not interested in politics does not mean politics is not interested in you&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I appreciate that point, believe me. I use a different phrase than &#8220;all politics is local&#8221;, though. I prefer to point out that &#8220;just because you&#8217;re not interested in politics does not mean politics is not interested in you&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to disagree, Rick. It&#039;s not a matter or party or ideal. It&#039;s a simple matter of knowing &lt;b&gt;how stuff works&lt;/b&gt;. I should have expanded on my conversation with the lawyer above: this person seemed to not understand that legislation comes from Congress, not the president.  The dentist truly had no idea that &lt;b&gt;state penalties&lt;/b&gt; are the result of state legislation. 

Making an informed decision to tune out is one thing. Tuning out without information and letting the critters run wild is quite another. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree, Rick. It&#8217;s not a matter or party or ideal. It&#8217;s a simple matter of knowing <b>how stuff works</b>. I should have expanded on my conversation with the lawyer above: this person seemed to not understand that legislation comes from Congress, not the president.  The dentist truly had no idea that <b>state penalties</b> are the result of state legislation. </p>
<p>Making an informed decision to tune out is one thing. Tuning out without information and letting the critters run wild is quite another.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/05/22/all-politics-is-local/comment-page-1/#comment-131599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you partially, Viv, but one thing you fail to take into account is the degree to which these politicians look like interchangeable bureaucrats to most people. I&#039;ve pointed this out in a comment here before, but it bears repeating. I find that Democrats agree with me in principle that certain liberties need to be protected. But these same Dems also advocate government controls in other areas, with which I totally disagree. Republicans are the same, but the liberties they want to protect vs. the ones they want to take away are, more or less, the inverse of those advocated by Dems.

So if congress(or the general assembly) consists of a 50-50 split between D&#039;s and R&#039;s, I might hope that both will fight for the liberties they say they want to protect, but that isn&#039;t the way it ever happens. What they both focus on is obtaining the controls that they each want to impose. Though neither gets all of what they want, they compromise, and permit each other half of the awful laws they want to pass. So I still get a net loss of liberty, and switching the bureaucrat that sits in the seat only changes the controls that my alleged representative wants to impose.

How much of this does a normal person have to witness before throwing one&#039;s arms in the air? Meet the new boss. He&#039;s the same as the old boss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you partially, Viv, but one thing you fail to take into account is the degree to which these politicians look like interchangeable bureaucrats to most people. I&#8217;ve pointed this out in a comment here before, but it bears repeating. I find that Democrats agree with me in principle that certain liberties need to be protected. But these same Dems also advocate government controls in other areas, with which I totally disagree. Republicans are the same, but the liberties they want to protect vs. the ones they want to take away are, more or less, the inverse of those advocated by Dems.</p>
<p>So if congress(or the general assembly) consists of a 50-50 split between D&#8217;s and R&#8217;s, I might hope that both will fight for the liberties they say they want to protect, but that isn&#8217;t the way it ever happens. What they both focus on is obtaining the controls that they each want to impose. Though neither gets all of what they want, they compromise, and permit each other half of the awful laws they want to pass. So I still get a net loss of liberty, and switching the bureaucrat that sits in the seat only changes the controls that my alleged representative wants to impose.</p>
<p>How much of this does a normal person have to witness before throwing one&#8217;s arms in the air? Meet the new boss. He&#8217;s the same as the old boss.</p>
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