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	<title>Comments on: A couple of ideas for funding transportation</title>
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		<title>By: Teddy Goodson</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-2/#comment-135121</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Goodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not a fuel tax for maintenance and an icome tax increase for general transportation (which does, in fact, include more than just roads), which will provide a steady, reliable, bondable stream of funds, enabling the Commonwealth to get federal funds and also sell bonds for major projects. The fuel tax for maintenance is use-related. The income tax is broad-based and the least regressive of all taxes, The fact is, even people without vehicles who do not &quot;use&quot; the roads in fact benefit from use of roads inasmuch as nearly everything they buy (food, clothing, and so on) at some point reached them via truck at least part of the way, so they should share the cost. 

As for the Know Nothing No-Party, is there any way the state can deny their districts any state funds for anything? I mean, they seem opposed to paying for government, so give them no government (funds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not a fuel tax for maintenance and an icome tax increase for general transportation (which does, in fact, include more than just roads), which will provide a steady, reliable, bondable stream of funds, enabling the Commonwealth to get federal funds and also sell bonds for major projects. The fuel tax for maintenance is use-related. The income tax is broad-based and the least regressive of all taxes, The fact is, even people without vehicles who do not &#8220;use&#8221; the roads in fact benefit from use of roads inasmuch as nearly everything they buy (food, clothing, and so on) at some point reached them via truck at least part of the way, so they should share the cost. </p>
<p>As for the Know Nothing No-Party, is there any way the state can deny their districts any state funds for anything? I mean, they seem opposed to paying for government, so give them no government (funds).</p>
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		<title>By: John Frum</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-2/#comment-134599</link>
		<dc:creator>John Frum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little David: If you really want to see a switch to alternative energy, why waste years and billions of dollars exploiting ANWR? Cut to the chase, and invest billions in creating the technology/infrastructure to not only wean America from the tit of FOREIGN oil, but ALL oil. Exxon might not like it, their Republican fellow travelers might not like it, but fonk &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little David: If you really want to see a switch to alternative energy, why waste years and billions of dollars exploiting ANWR? Cut to the chase, and invest billions in creating the technology/infrastructure to not only wean America from the tit of FOREIGN oil, but ALL oil. Exxon might not like it, their Republican fellow travelers might not like it, but fonk &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: John Frum</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-134598</link>
		<dc:creator>John Frum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spank That Donkey:  Why continue to invest in old technology that will only continue to cost the American consumer an arm and a leg? Only oil companies will benefit because they have more product to push at an inflated price. Filthy Republicans know the price of oil will never come down, they just want to milk the product for all it&#039;s worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spank That Donkey:  Why continue to invest in old technology that will only continue to cost the American consumer an arm and a leg? Only oil companies will benefit because they have more product to push at an inflated price. Filthy Republicans know the price of oil will never come down, they just want to milk the product for all it&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-134317</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spank That Donkey,

Brief and to the point.

Vivian, your arm is being twisted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spank That Donkey,</p>
<p>Brief and to the point.</p>
<p>Vivian, your arm is being twisted.</p>
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		<title>By: Spank That Donkey</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-134314</link>
		<dc:creator>Spank That Donkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viviian:
Thank You for wading into this debate.
I&#039;ll put you down for repeal of the PPTRA...
No offshore drilling in Va or ANWR right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viviian:<br />
Thank You for wading into this debate.<br />
I&#8217;ll put you down for repeal of the PPTRA&#8230;<br />
No offshore drilling in Va or ANWR right?</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-134310</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double post.

Here&#039;s another thought.  Will the &quot;No bird&quot; politician be the first to stand in front of the bridge with a sign, for a photo op, that reads &quot;Keep our bridges open&quot; when VDOT starts condemning them and closing them due to lack of funding to maintain them?

Once VDOT starts closing them, it is going to take some time to fix them and get them reopened.  And if VDOT officials bow to political pressure and do not condemn unsafe bridges, they are going to be thrown in prison for failing to do it if they do fail with resulting loss of life.  Too bad the politicians that refused to fund the maintenance needed do not end up rotting alongside them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double post.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another thought.  Will the &#8220;No bird&#8221; politician be the first to stand in front of the bridge with a sign, for a photo op, that reads &#8220;Keep our bridges open&#8221; when VDOT starts condemning them and closing them due to lack of funding to maintain them?</p>
<p>Once VDOT starts closing them, it is going to take some time to fix them and get them reopened.  And if VDOT officials bow to political pressure and do not condemn unsafe bridges, they are going to be thrown in prison for failing to do it if they do fail with resulting loss of life.  Too bad the politicians that refused to fund the maintenance needed do not end up rotting alongside them.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-134270</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vivian,

The &quot;No&quot; crowd is going to continue to shout NO until the cows come home.  

It is my understanding that studies have shown an increase of 5 cents per gallon in the fuel tax is necessary to continue maintaining what we already have, and such an increase would not help fund needed improvements.

Once our bridges start collapsing due to failure to maintain them (like they did up in the Twin Cities in Minnesota) perhaps then we can run the No Birds out of office.  It would be a shame if loss of life would be necessary to get the No Birds to change their votes or run them out of office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian,</p>
<p>The &#8220;No&#8221; crowd is going to continue to shout NO until the cows come home.  </p>
<p>It is my understanding that studies have shown an increase of 5 cents per gallon in the fuel tax is necessary to continue maintaining what we already have, and such an increase would not help fund needed improvements.</p>
<p>Once our bridges start collapsing due to failure to maintain them (like they did up in the Twin Cities in Minnesota) perhaps then we can run the No Birds out of office.  It would be a shame if loss of life would be necessary to get the No Birds to change their votes or run them out of office.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-134250</link>
		<dc:creator>vjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LD - yes, the governor&#039;s plan was DOA. I said that in an earlier post. Saslaw&#039;s plan is DOA in the House. I&#039;m just trying to figure out what the &quot;No&quot; crowd would be willing to support (besides well, &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LD &#8211; yes, the governor&#8217;s plan was DOA. I said that in an earlier post. Saslaw&#8217;s plan is DOA in the House. I&#8217;m just trying to figure out what the &#8220;No&#8221; crowd would be willing to support (besides well, <i>nothing</i>.)</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-134245</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I&#039;ll stop demanding that you help pay for transportation maintenance and improvements when you stop using the highways.

Vivian,

Governor Kaine&#039;s plan for alternative methods (other tax increases) is just as DOA.  Meanwhile Dick Saslaw in the Senate has put together a plan with some support that largely would increase fuel taxes to raise increased revenue.

Since neither Kaine&#039;s nor Saslaw&#039;s plan is apt to win support from the &quot;No New Taxes&quot; crowd, I do not think it is wrong to support Saslaw&#039;s plan as being the better of the two.

And if neither plan goes anywhere?  Well then who opposed them and who is to blame for &quot;No New Progress&quot; on funding our transportation infrastructure needs?  Who do we need to run out of office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stop demanding that you help pay for transportation maintenance and improvements when you stop using the highways.</p>
<p>Vivian,</p>
<p>Governor Kaine&#8217;s plan for alternative methods (other tax increases) is just as DOA.  Meanwhile Dick Saslaw in the Senate has put together a plan with some support that largely would increase fuel taxes to raise increased revenue.</p>
<p>Since neither Kaine&#8217;s nor Saslaw&#8217;s plan is apt to win support from the &#8220;No New Taxes&#8221; crowd, I do not think it is wrong to support Saslaw&#8217;s plan as being the better of the two.</p>
<p>And if neither plan goes anywhere?  Well then who opposed them and who is to blame for &#8220;No New Progress&#8221; on funding our transportation infrastructure needs?  Who do we need to run out of office?</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, James, how much extra did you send it to pay for all of the benefits that you get from current gov&#039;t programs, but rail against like a whiny little baby?

What was that?  Nothing?

Right.  STFU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, James, how much extra did you send it to pay for all of the benefits that you get from current gov&#8217;t programs, but rail against like a whiny little baby?</p>
<p>What was that?  Nothing?</p>
<p>Right.  STFU.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LittleDavid - I&#039;m not against a gas tax. I&#039;m just trying to offer some alternatives. The gas tax is DOA.

Don - don&#039;t the cars use the roads?

James - transportation costs money. How do you propose we pay for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LittleDavid &#8211; I&#8217;m not against a gas tax. I&#8217;m just trying to offer some alternatives. The gas tax is DOA.</p>
<p>Don &#8211; don&#8217;t the cars use the roads?</p>
<p>James &#8211; transportation costs money. How do you propose we pay for it?</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-134212</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much extra did you advocates of increased taxes send in?

If the answer is &quot;Nothing,&quot; stop trying to stick your hand in my pocket until it isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much extra did you advocates of increased taxes send in?</p>
<p>If the answer is &#8220;Nothing,&#8221; stop trying to stick your hand in my pocket until it isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/07/01/a-couple-of-ideas-for-funding-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-134193</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don Tabor,

Evidently you are a Libertarian.  Evidently you are in favor of every highway being a tollroad.

I stand with Ronald Reagan who increased the fuel tax to pay for his transportation improvements.  I stand with Dwight D Eisenhower who envisioned a system of freeways paid for through a fuel tax.

Tollways are inefficient.  They only add another layer of beauracracy to pay those who must stick their hand out at the tollbooth to collect the tolls.  There is also all the supporting cast who must manage and provide accounting for all the new public employees who stick their hand out.  Tollroads are a wasteful method of paying for our infrastructure.  Of you want to waste tax dollars, vote for a tollway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Tabor,</p>
<p>Evidently you are a Libertarian.  Evidently you are in favor of every highway being a tollroad.</p>
<p>I stand with Ronald Reagan who increased the fuel tax to pay for his transportation improvements.  I stand with Dwight D Eisenhower who envisioned a system of freeways paid for through a fuel tax.</p>
<p>Tollways are inefficient.  They only add another layer of beauracracy to pay those who must stick their hand out at the tollbooth to collect the tolls.  There is also all the supporting cast who must manage and provide accounting for all the new public employees who stick their hand out.  Tollroads are a wasteful method of paying for our infrastructure.  Of you want to waste tax dollars, vote for a tollway.</p>
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		<title>By: t1ewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>t1ewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everyone, because they&#039;re all good ideas really.  Also Mrs. Paige, i thought of an income tax increase myself.  between that gas and tolls, i was thinking of ways for them to get the money within 3 to 5 years.  all these ideas seem pretty simple, yes it means money out of our pockets but i wanna know neigh-sayers, where else are we gonna get the money?  i also agree that they have the funds hidden somewhere in their confines, but it&#039;s obvious they aren&#039;t gonna cough it up.  

but sadly enough, they&#039;re obviously not gonna agree on funding plan either.  i&#039;m thinking we have to flood them with emails, just like with the abusive drivers fees.  Let&#039;s send them so much we&#039;ll shut down there mail servers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everyone, because they&#8217;re all good ideas really.  Also Mrs. Paige, i thought of an income tax increase myself.  between that gas and tolls, i was thinking of ways for them to get the money within 3 to 5 years.  all these ideas seem pretty simple, yes it means money out of our pockets but i wanna know neigh-sayers, where else are we gonna get the money?  i also agree that they have the funds hidden somewhere in their confines, but it&#8217;s obvious they aren&#8217;t gonna cough it up.  </p>
<p>but sadly enough, they&#8217;re obviously not gonna agree on funding plan either.  i&#8217;m thinking we have to flood them with emails, just like with the abusive drivers fees.  Let&#8217;s send them so much we&#8217;ll shut down there mail servers</p>
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		<title>By: Don Tabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s wrong with those who benefit from the roads pay for them?

Why should the people of Hampton Roads alone pay for infrastructure for the benefit of those who buy products which come in through the Port of Virginia, and who live all over the Eastern half of the United States? The only right way to pay for the 3rd crossing and associated roads, which account for more than 2/3 of the $9 billion MPO plan, is to collect weight based tolls, which will fall primarily of the trucks for which they are being built, and will be passed along through shipping costs to the eventual beneficiaries.  

The Tidewater Libertarian Party presented Gov Kaine with a road funding plan, perhaps Democrats and Republicans  should give it some thought instead of just immediately seizing on transportation needs as an excuse for more taxes on one group or another. 
You can read it at . http://tinyurl.com/4kwcjh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s wrong with those who benefit from the roads pay for them?</p>
<p>Why should the people of Hampton Roads alone pay for infrastructure for the benefit of those who buy products which come in through the Port of Virginia, and who live all over the Eastern half of the United States? The only right way to pay for the 3rd crossing and associated roads, which account for more than 2/3 of the $9 billion MPO plan, is to collect weight based tolls, which will fall primarily of the trucks for which they are being built, and will be passed along through shipping costs to the eventual beneficiaries.  </p>
<p>The Tidewater Libertarian Party presented Gov Kaine with a road funding plan, perhaps Democrats and Republicans  should give it some thought instead of just immediately seizing on transportation needs as an excuse for more taxes on one group or another.<br />
You can read it at . <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4kwcjh" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4kwcjh</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blacknell.net &#187; Bring Back the Car Tax and/or Raise the Income Tax!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blacknell.net &#187; Bring Back the Car Tax and/or Raise the Income Tax!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t look at me &#8211; Vivian&#8217;s the one who proposed it.  You can leave a comment, or trackback from your own site. RSS [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still strongly in favor of an increase in the fuel tax.  I do not understand how anyone who opposes an increase in the fuel tax would think any other tax increase would be more fair (and that includes Governor Kaine).

An increase in the fuel tax would cause those that benefit and use the transportation infrastructure the most to pay for it.  I do not comprehend how any other method would be as fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still strongly in favor of an increase in the fuel tax.  I do not understand how anyone who opposes an increase in the fuel tax would think any other tax increase would be more fair (and that includes Governor Kaine).</p>
<p>An increase in the fuel tax would cause those that benefit and use the transportation infrastructure the most to pay for it.  I do not comprehend how any other method would be as fair.</p>
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