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		<title>By: Opinion, please: wearing of campaign apparel &#171; VIVIAN J. PAIGE &#124; All Politics is Local</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] please: wearing of campaign&#160;apparel  This last election saw a clarification of the 40-foot rule prohibiting campaign activities. Now we have a bill pre-filed by Del. Jim [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: BS</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens when I go to vote with 4 of my friends. Each one of us has a gisnt letter on our back. One has a &quot;A&quot;, another has a &quot;B&quot;, another has another &quot;A&quot;, another has an &quot;M&quot;, and I have an &quot;O&quot;. Now if when we line up and stand in line those 5 letters spell out &quot;MABOA&quot;, BOAMA, or BAMAO, nothing should happen, right?  But what if we line up in a different order and it spells &quot;OBAMA&quot;, what then?  Will we be kicked out and not allowed to vote?  What happens if all voters wear either a &quot;B&quot;, &quot;O&quot;, &quot;M&quot;, or &quot;A&quot;. Eventually, the odds should put the sequences together and spell &quot;OBAMA&quot;.  What happens then.  I know this sounds ridiculuous, b-u-t not as ridiculous as this ruling...  More BS!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when I go to vote with 4 of my friends. Each one of us has a gisnt letter on our back. One has a &#8220;A&#8221;, another has a &#8220;B&#8221;, another has another &#8220;A&#8221;, another has an &#8220;M&#8221;, and I have an &#8220;O&#8221;. Now if when we line up and stand in line those 5 letters spell out &#8220;MABOA&#8221;, BOAMA, or BAMAO, nothing should happen, right?  But what if we line up in a different order and it spells &#8220;OBAMA&#8221;, what then?  Will we be kicked out and not allowed to vote?  What happens if all voters wear either a &#8220;B&#8221;, &#8220;O&#8221;, &#8220;M&#8221;, or &#8220;A&#8221;. Eventually, the odds should put the sequences together and spell &#8220;OBAMA&#8221;.  What happens then.  I know this sounds ridiculuous, b-u-t not as ridiculous as this ruling&#8230;  More BS!</p>
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		<title>By: J. Scott</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-2/#comment-141991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MB I did not realize I was standing in church listening to all this preaching all of sudden. As Timothy points out the statute is the statute but of course there are so many levels that one can look at this whole situation I guess.
It is what it is, but hey what the heck we can just invent our on version or interpretation mindset regarding the manner right? &quot;Undue influence&quot; by the way I believe came from the views expressed regarding the rationale for the statute by the BOE and in terms of the union balloting MB the point is when you walk into a polling station wearing a t-shirt you are expressing something YOU are choosing to make public yourself, but what if you do not wish to express your vote in such a manner and wish to keep it private; well then don&#039;t wear a shirt right? The issue is how does that translate to tossing out secret balloting? What if you are a member and do not want to be infleunced regarding your vote and your vote is being made public to the other side as in a union. That was the only point I was making. People certainly should have the right to express through t-shirts but then shouldn&#039;t we also have right to keep our vote personal, even in a union that was merely my point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB I did not realize I was standing in church listening to all this preaching all of sudden. As Timothy points out the statute is the statute but of course there are so many levels that one can look at this whole situation I guess.<br />
It is what it is, but hey what the heck we can just invent our on version or interpretation mindset regarding the manner right? &#8220;Undue influence&#8221; by the way I believe came from the views expressed regarding the rationale for the statute by the BOE and in terms of the union balloting MB the point is when you walk into a polling station wearing a t-shirt you are expressing something YOU are choosing to make public yourself, but what if you do not wish to express your vote in such a manner and wish to keep it private; well then don&#8217;t wear a shirt right? The issue is how does that translate to tossing out secret balloting? What if you are a member and do not want to be infleunced regarding your vote and your vote is being made public to the other side as in a union. That was the only point I was making. People certainly should have the right to express through t-shirts but then shouldn&#8217;t we also have right to keep our vote personal, even in a union that was merely my point.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Timothy, are you being intentionally obtuse?  You know you can wear a t-shirt that says &quot;Fire!&quot; in a crowded theater without fear of prosecution, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, are you being intentionally obtuse?  You know you can wear a t-shirt that says &#8220;Fire!&#8221; in a crowded theater without fear of prosecution, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you people incapable of reading? This provision has been on the books since at least 2000:
&lt;blockquote&gt;A. During the times the polls are open and ballots are being counted, it shall be unlawful for any person (i) to loiter or congregate within 40 feet of any entrance of any polling place; (ii) within such distance to give, tender, or exhibit any ballot, ticket, &lt;b&gt;or other campaign material to any person or to solicit or in any manner attempt to influence any person in casting his vote;&lt;/b&gt; or (iii) to hinder or delay a qualified voter in entering or leaving a polling place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As I said above, this provision has been there since at least 2000.

It&#039;s up to the local poll workers to enforce it, and it&#039;s up to the local Commonwealth&#039;s Attorney to prosecute the provisions.

I would like any of you guys whining about the provision to do the following on election: Sit in front of the door of the polling place, or inside the polling place itself, and shout &quot;Vote &lt;i&gt;x&lt;/i&gt; &#039;08&quot;, where &lt;i&gt;x&lt;/i&gt; is the name of the candidate you support, and see what happens.

If you have any stones, you&#039;ll let yourself get arrested (nonviolent resistance) when you&#039;re told to move and see what the court has to say about the matter.

I&#039;m sure the men in brown suits, or blue for those areas that have police departments, will &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; dealing with you.

&quot;Don&#039;t tase me, bro!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you people incapable of reading? This provision has been on the books since at least 2000:</p>
<blockquote><p>A. During the times the polls are open and ballots are being counted, it shall be unlawful for any person (i) to loiter or congregate within 40 feet of any entrance of any polling place; (ii) within such distance to give, tender, or exhibit any ballot, ticket, <b>or other campaign material to any person or to solicit or in any manner attempt to influence any person in casting his vote;</b> or (iii) to hinder or delay a qualified voter in entering or leaving a polling place.</p></blockquote>
<p>As I said above, this provision has been there since at least 2000.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to the local poll workers to enforce it, and it&#8217;s up to the local Commonwealth&#8217;s Attorney to prosecute the provisions.</p>
<p>I would like any of you guys whining about the provision to do the following on election: Sit in front of the door of the polling place, or inside the polling place itself, and shout &#8220;Vote <i>x</i> &#8217;08&#8243;, where <i>x</i> is the name of the candidate you support, and see what happens.</p>
<p>If you have any stones, you&#8217;ll let yourself get arrested (nonviolent resistance) when you&#8217;re told to move and see what the court has to say about the matter.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the men in brown suits, or blue for those areas that have police departments, will <i>love</i> dealing with you.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t tase me, bro!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: spotter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a really good question.  &quot;Where does it say you have a constitutional right to wear a shirt or say something inside a polling place or with 40 feet of a polling place?&quot;

We were talking about the t-shirts, don&#039;t change the subject.

The answer is, inthe First Amendment, which supersedes state statutes in conflict with it.

&quot;Say something?&quot;  The statute says you can&#039;t solicit or attempt to influence somebody within 40 feet.  That seems to be a reasonable time, place, or manner restriction that would be upheld.

That&#039;s not the same thing as wearing a t-shirt.

There is no reason to believe that simply silently wearing a t-shirt with a candidate&#039;s name on it while standing in line to vote is going to (or is intended to) influence anybody.  Also, wearing a t-shirt is not within the statutory language, despite the &quot;interpretation&quot; to the contrary.  Statutes are supposed to be narrowly construed, particularly when there is a countervailing constitutional right at stake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really good question.  &#8220;Where does it say you have a constitutional right to wear a shirt or say something inside a polling place or with 40 feet of a polling place?&#8221;</p>
<p>We were talking about the t-shirts, don&#8217;t change the subject.</p>
<p>The answer is, inthe First Amendment, which supersedes state statutes in conflict with it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Say something?&#8221;  The statute says you can&#8217;t solicit or attempt to influence somebody within 40 feet.  That seems to be a reasonable time, place, or manner restriction that would be upheld.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the same thing as wearing a t-shirt.</p>
<p>There is no reason to believe that simply silently wearing a t-shirt with a candidate&#8217;s name on it while standing in line to vote is going to (or is intended to) influence anybody.  Also, wearing a t-shirt is not within the statutory language, despite the &#8220;interpretation&#8221; to the contrary.  Statutes are supposed to be narrowly construed, particularly when there is a countervailing constitutional right at stake.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The idea as stated above by others is to prevent undue influence, but I guess those that feel the restriction is baseless are the same folks who are against private, secret ballots being cast for union votes as well.&quot;

WHAT?  Wearing a T-shirt that says &quot;Obama&quot; or &quot;NObama&quot; constitutes &quot;undue influence&quot;?  That&#039;s a long way from opposing &quot;private, secret ballots.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The idea as stated above by others is to prevent undue influence, but I guess those that feel the restriction is baseless are the same folks who are against private, secret ballots being cast for union votes as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>WHAT?  Wearing a T-shirt that says &#8220;Obama&#8221; or &#8220;NObama&#8221; constitutes &#8220;undue influence&#8221;?  That&#8217;s a long way from opposing &#8220;private, secret ballots.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re not surprised, I&#039;m guessing, because you&#039;re the one who made it up.  J. Scott, you seem to be doing a lot of arguing with yourself here.  The whole idea of the Internet - as I understand it, anyway - is to facilitate exchange between people.  In order to do that, each party has to actually say/type out loud what they&#039;re thinking.  I&#039;m pretty sure you&#039;re the only one here who knew we were talking about card checks and union ballots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not surprised, I&#8217;m guessing, because you&#8217;re the one who made it up.  J. Scott, you seem to be doing a lot of arguing with yourself here.  The whole idea of the Internet &#8211; as I understand it, anyway &#8211; is to facilitate exchange between people.  In order to do that, each party has to actually say/type out loud what they&#8217;re thinking.  I&#8217;m pretty sure you&#8217;re the only one here who knew we were talking about card checks and union ballots.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was not &quot;mocking&quot; them, but was pointing out they either ignored the shirts or failed to recognize them altogether. I guess many people would make ther arguement that if no one complained no harm no foul, but I think that is just ridiculous. The idea as stated above by others is to prevent undue influence, but I guess those that feel the restriction is baseless are the same folks who are against private, secret ballots being cast for union votes as well. Why am I not suprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not &#8220;mocking&#8221; them, but was pointing out they either ignored the shirts or failed to recognize them altogether. I guess many people would make ther arguement that if no one complained no harm no foul, but I think that is just ridiculous. The idea as stated above by others is to prevent undue influence, but I guess those that feel the restriction is baseless are the same folks who are against private, secret ballots being cast for union votes as well. Why am I not suprised.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Umm, sure it would be, J. Scott, but I don&#039;t see where you&#039;re talking about that.  As I read it, you were mocking the poll workers for asking people in Obama t-shirts whether they wanted to vote Republican or Democrat.

As to the t-shirts, until yesterday&#039;s vote, the level of enforcement was set county by county, as best I can understand it.  Construing the provision against display of campaign material (which, taken in context with the rest of the provision, sure seems aimed at lit, signs, etc.) in such a was as to bar someone from exercising one of their most fundamental rights?  Not exactly the option that makes the most sense, I&#039;d say.  So I&#039;d hardly expect that of every pollworker in the past.  (Then again, Virginia&#039;s never been too big on making sure that everyone can vote . . .).

But we&#039;ve got the guidance now, and we&#039;ll see how it goes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, sure it would be, J. Scott, but I don&#8217;t see where you&#8217;re talking about that.  As I read it, you were mocking the poll workers for asking people in Obama t-shirts whether they wanted to vote Republican or Democrat.</p>
<p>As to the t-shirts, until yesterday&#8217;s vote, the level of enforcement was set county by county, as best I can understand it.  Construing the provision against display of campaign material (which, taken in context with the rest of the provision, sure seems aimed at lit, signs, etc.) in such a was as to bar someone from exercising one of their most fundamental rights?  Not exactly the option that makes the most sense, I&#8217;d say.  So I&#8217;d hardly expect that of every pollworker in the past.  (Then again, Virginia&#8217;s never been too big on making sure that everyone can vote . . .).</p>
<p>But we&#8217;ve got the guidance now, and we&#8217;ll see how it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MB:
Would not there &quot;job&quot; be pointing out restrictions or violations of such restrictions. Who is it exactly that enforces such measures as 40 feet or 100 feet? Is it not the polling station Election officials? Exactly who has the &quot;authority&quot; to ask someone to remove or turn a shirt inside out exactly at a polling station? Look, I am not in favor of such restrictions per say but if we have them and the Board of Elections has implemented them, does it not make since then to have them enforced and that &quot;job&quot; falls on those tasked with running the polling station, otherwise they are simply robots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB:<br />
Would not there &#8220;job&#8221; be pointing out restrictions or violations of such restrictions. Who is it exactly that enforces such measures as 40 feet or 100 feet? Is it not the polling station Election officials? Exactly who has the &#8220;authority&#8221; to ask someone to remove or turn a shirt inside out exactly at a polling station? Look, I am not in favor of such restrictions per say but if we have them and the Board of Elections has implemented them, does it not make since then to have them enforced and that &#8220;job&#8221; falls on those tasked with running the polling station, otherwise they are simply robots.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And when the outcome of one primary is more important to you, you can vote in that primary even if you have no intention of voting for that candidate in the general election.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when the outcome of one primary is more important to you, you can vote in that primary even if you have no intention of voting for that candidate in the general election.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose, J. Scott, that folks in America (still) assume that absent some very very good reason, we&#039;re free to say and wear what we like where we like (a default rule that also seems to elude Mr. Watson - hint, it&#039;s at the very beginning of the Bill of Rights).

As to the poll workers - they&#039;re doing their jobs.  Hardly robots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose, J. Scott, that folks in America (still) assume that absent some very very good reason, we&#8217;re free to say and wear what we like where we like (a default rule that also seems to elude Mr. Watson &#8211; hint, it&#8217;s at the very beginning of the Bill of Rights).</p>
<p>As to the poll workers &#8211; they&#8217;re doing their jobs.  Hardly robots.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simple case of the time honored tradition of folks wanting the follow only the rules or laws the wish to; kinda like speeding. people who feel that statute is ridiculous; ignore it and wear t-shirts and the like but most are unware of the rstrictions. The question also arises who is really at fault here; the people who don&#039;t know and are simply getting behind a candidate or Party or the people who do know and are working the polling stations and SAY NOTHING. I stood in amazement at the countless t-shirts for Obama in the Primary in line and polling staff still felt compelled to ask &quot;Republican or Democrat&quot; for the ballot.  Did they not notice the shirts? Or did they simply just not care and where instructed to say what they said like robots? 
Hey, you know we really don&#039;t want people wearing Washington National apparel in the stadium because people might get an idea of which team we support; isn&#039;t this all we are talking about. Has not our politics simply become like laundry anyway. Democrat Blue, Republican Red in the same manner in which we support sports teams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple case of the time honored tradition of folks wanting the follow only the rules or laws the wish to; kinda like speeding. people who feel that statute is ridiculous; ignore it and wear t-shirts and the like but most are unware of the rstrictions. The question also arises who is really at fault here; the people who don&#8217;t know and are simply getting behind a candidate or Party or the people who do know and are working the polling stations and SAY NOTHING. I stood in amazement at the countless t-shirts for Obama in the Primary in line and polling staff still felt compelled to ask &#8220;Republican or Democrat&#8221; for the ballot.  Did they not notice the shirts? Or did they simply just not care and where instructed to say what they said like robots?<br />
Hey, you know we really don&#8217;t want people wearing Washington National apparel in the stadium because people might get an idea of which team we support; isn&#8217;t this all we are talking about. Has not our politics simply become like laundry anyway. Democrat Blue, Republican Red in the same manner in which we support sports teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Watson</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-2/#comment-141961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where does it say you have a constitutional right to wear a shirt or say something inside a polling place or with 40 feet of a polling place?

The whole point of this law is to prevent people from being harassed within polling and just outside polling places.

So, should I be able to stand right in front of the door or inside the polling place and shout &quot;Vote Jim Bob &#039;08!&quot;? Freedom of speech and assembly and all that, right?

You people obviously aren&#039;t aware of such things as protest permits and the like either.

Someone tell me how long this law has been on the books. Its hard to tell with all the revision to the code section but I can guarantee you that it will survive any court challenge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where does it say you have a constitutional right to wear a shirt or say something inside a polling place or with 40 feet of a polling place?</p>
<p>The whole point of this law is to prevent people from being harassed within polling and just outside polling places.</p>
<p>So, should I be able to stand right in front of the door or inside the polling place and shout &#8220;Vote Jim Bob &#8217;08!&#8221;? Freedom of speech and assembly and all that, right?</p>
<p>You people obviously aren&#8217;t aware of such things as protest permits and the like either.</p>
<p>Someone tell me how long this law has been on the books. Its hard to tell with all the revision to the code section but I can guarantee you that it will survive any court challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: spotter</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people who don&#039;t want to be &quot;bombarded with junk&quot; should suck it up and not be tho thenthitive about other people&#039;s t-shirts.

Then we wouldn&#039;t have to wait and watch as Ms. Rodrigues gets handed her (hat) and the Commonwealth pays the ACLU&#039;s attorney&#039;s fees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people who don&#8217;t want to be &#8220;bombarded with junk&#8221; should suck it up and not be tho thenthitive about other people&#8217;s t-shirts.</p>
<p>Then we wouldn&#8217;t have to wait and watch as Ms. Rodrigues gets handed her (hat) and the Commonwealth pays the ACLU&#8217;s attorney&#8217;s fees.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141958</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vote naked!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote naked!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This ruling is going to be overturned. Then on election day, people coming to the polls will be dressed in full campaign regalia, just to make the point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ruling is going to be overturned. Then on election day, people coming to the polls will be dressed in full campaign regalia, just to make the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141950</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patriots do not &quot;suck up&quot; clear violations of their constitutional rights.  This is just such a violation.

I&#039;ll wear a &quot;Vote Content of Character, not Color of Skin&quot; T-shirt, and see whether the poll-workers can figure out who I&#039;m supporting!

Elementary, my dear Watson.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriots do not &#8220;suck up&#8221; clear violations of their constitutional rights.  This is just such a violation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll wear a &#8220;Vote Content of Character, not Color of Skin&#8221; T-shirt, and see whether the poll-workers can figure out who I&#8217;m supporting!</p>
<p>Elementary, my dear Watson.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Watson</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The point of the code section is clear: No campaign materials within 40 feet [or inside] the poll place.

Suck. It. Up.

Some people don&#039;t want to be bombarded with junk when they go to vote.

I was doing poll work for someone during the 2007 general and I had a campaign T-shirt of his on while working outside the 40 feet area.

During a break when no one was voting, I went so far as to put another T-shirt on top of the one I had on, so I could go inside to vote and not cause any problems.

Of course, the candidate I was supporting&#039;s opponent&#039;s people decided to camp inside the 40 feet area with one of their signs until they were told to move by the poll workers.

Always seems that one side of the aisle thinks that clearly stated rules don&#039;t apply to them...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of the code section is clear: No campaign materials within 40 feet [or inside] the poll place.</p>
<p>Suck. It. Up.</p>
<p>Some people don&#8217;t want to be bombarded with junk when they go to vote.</p>
<p>I was doing poll work for someone during the 2007 general and I had a campaign T-shirt of his on while working outside the 40 feet area.</p>
<p>During a break when no one was voting, I went so far as to put another T-shirt on top of the one I had on, so I could go inside to vote and not cause any problems.</p>
<p>Of course, the candidate I was supporting&#8217;s opponent&#8217;s people decided to camp inside the 40 feet area with one of their signs until they were told to move by the poll workers.</p>
<p>Always seems that one side of the aisle thinks that clearly stated rules don&#8217;t apply to them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: spotter</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141944</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link to the statute, Mouse.

The only part that might apply is the section that makes it illegal to:

&quot;give, tender, or exhibit any ballot, ticket, or other campaign material to any person [or] solicit or in any manner attempt to influence any person in casting his vote.&quot;

So now we know the reason the statute hasn&#039;t been interpreted that way in the past.  It&#039;s simply not a reasonable interpretation of the authority given by the statute.

For example, if I&#039;m wearing a t-shirt, I&#039;m not exhibiting &quot;campaign material,&quot; am I?  No, I&#039;m just wearing a shirt.

I&#039;m also not soliciting or attempting to influence any person in casting his vote.  I&#039;m wearing a shirt.

Also, the SBE&#039;s interpretation must be narrowly construed to avoid trampling on any Constitutional rights.  Its new interpretation is either unconstitutional in its own right, or overly broad, or both.

Vivian, it&#039;s not enough to cite the statute and call this an &quot;interpretation.&quot;

The Constitution supercedes state statutes, regulations, and yes, interpretations that are in conflict with it.  So just saying this interpretation is within the statute does not even begin to address the constitutional issue that the SBE has inexplicably gone out of its way to unnecessarily raise.  They wanna get sued, their choice, their problem.  I say the attorney fees are going to be paid by Ms. Rodrigues, and in federal court, no less.  Any and every Virginia law professor worth his or her salt should be calling the ACLU just about now and volunteering to help get this problem corrected, immediately.

And again, any idea why the League of Women voters has suddenly decided that voting is a bad thing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to the statute, Mouse.</p>
<p>The only part that might apply is the section that makes it illegal to:</p>
<p>&#8220;give, tender, or exhibit any ballot, ticket, or other campaign material to any person [or] solicit or in any manner attempt to influence any person in casting his vote.&#8221;</p>
<p>So now we know the reason the statute hasn&#8217;t been interpreted that way in the past.  It&#8217;s simply not a reasonable interpretation of the authority given by the statute.</p>
<p>For example, if I&#8217;m wearing a t-shirt, I&#8217;m not exhibiting &#8220;campaign material,&#8221; am I?  No, I&#8217;m just wearing a shirt.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not soliciting or attempting to influence any person in casting his vote.  I&#8217;m wearing a shirt.</p>
<p>Also, the SBE&#8217;s interpretation must be narrowly construed to avoid trampling on any Constitutional rights.  Its new interpretation is either unconstitutional in its own right, or overly broad, or both.</p>
<p>Vivian, it&#8217;s not enough to cite the statute and call this an &#8220;interpretation.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Constitution supercedes state statutes, regulations, and yes, interpretations that are in conflict with it.  So just saying this interpretation is within the statute does not even begin to address the constitutional issue that the SBE has inexplicably gone out of its way to unnecessarily raise.  They wanna get sued, their choice, their problem.  I say the attorney fees are going to be paid by Ms. Rodrigues, and in federal court, no less.  Any and every Virginia law professor worth his or her salt should be calling the ACLU just about now and volunteering to help get this problem corrected, immediately.</p>
<p>And again, any idea why the League of Women voters has suddenly decided that voting is a bad thing?</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141943</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mouse @ 8:30 - you got hung up in the spam filter - too many links. (And I have the code in the original post that I linked to in my post.)

Back to work :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mouse @ 8:30 &#8211; you got hung up in the spam filter &#8211; too many links. (And I have the code in the original post that I linked to in my post.)</p>
<p>Back to work <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141942</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been called a far left moonbat, too!

James, I&#039;m a sovereign individualist. Some would call me a libertarian, others call me an anarcho-capitalist(I&#039;m neither, but admittedly I&#039;m remarkably close to both). There&#039;s more variety to political opinion than liberal-left and conservative-right.

I do wish people would abandon this childish binary view of politics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been called a far left moonbat, too!</p>
<p>James, I&#8217;m a sovereign individualist. Some would call me a libertarian, others call me an anarcho-capitalist(I&#8217;m neither, but admittedly I&#8217;m remarkably close to both). There&#8217;s more variety to political opinion than liberal-left and conservative-right.</p>
<p>I do wish people would abandon this childish binary view of politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141941</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you like that, MB?!  I&#039;ve been called a far left moonbat!

James, I am about as conservative as you can get, and I think an 0bama T-shirt is quite &quot;reasonable&quot; for a voter to wear when going in to vote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you like that, MB?!  I&#8217;ve been called a far left moonbat!</p>
<p>James, I am about as conservative as you can get, and I think an 0bama T-shirt is quite &#8220;reasonable&#8221; for a voter to wear when going in to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are, of course, utterly correct in this, VJP, and anybody who&#039;s had any involvement in Virginia politics knows it.

All the sturm und drang on the far Left simply demonstrates that they comprise the &quot;moonbat&quot; fringe.  These are clearly &quot;reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions,&quot; and the ACLU&#039;s posturing is little more than an effort to intimidate the relevant officials into bending to its will.

I hope the ACLU files suit on this.  I suspect that it will be one of those few occasions where a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit will be permitted to recover attorneys&#039; fees and costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are, of course, utterly correct in this, VJP, and anybody who&#8217;s had any involvement in Virginia politics knows it.</p>
<p>All the sturm und drang on the far Left simply demonstrates that they comprise the &#8220;moonbat&#8221; fringe.  These are clearly &#8220;reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions,&#8221; and the ACLU&#8217;s posturing is little more than an effort to intimidate the relevant officials into bending to its will.</p>
<p>I hope the ACLU files suit on this.  I suspect that it will be one of those few occasions where a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit will be permitted to recover attorneys&#8217; fees and costs.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll agree that it should be taken up with the legislators, but it still deserves a bit of an outcry.  There are all sorts of things in VA&#039;s code that are quite clear, yet ought not (and are not) ever be enforced.  This should have been one of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll agree that it should be taken up with the legislators, but it still deserves a bit of an outcry.  There are all sorts of things in VA&#8217;s code that are quite clear, yet ought not (and are not) ever be enforced.  This should have been one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: spotter</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141937</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My son voted in the primary in an Obama shirt, and nobody uttered a peep.  No, this is not an &quot;interpretation&quot; of existing law, it is an illegal attempt to stifle First Amendment rights.

The Virginian-Pilot said the League of Women Voters endorsed this ban, and sent its legislative coordinator to speak for it.

What process did the League follow in determining that this endorsement was in accord with the views of its membership?  And why should anybody ever join the League of Women Voters again?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son voted in the primary in an Obama shirt, and nobody uttered a peep.  No, this is not an &#8220;interpretation&#8221; of existing law, it is an illegal attempt to stifle First Amendment rights.</p>
<p>The Virginian-Pilot said the League of Women Voters endorsed this ban, and sent its legislative coordinator to speak for it.</p>
<p>What process did the League follow in determining that this endorsement was in accord with the views of its membership?  And why should anybody ever join the League of Women Voters again?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141936</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how this applies to my Ron Paul t-shirt, since he&#039;s no longer in the campaign.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how this applies to my Ron Paul t-shirt, since he&#8217;s no longer in the campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anyone is interested, the code in question is &lt;a href=&quot;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+24.2-604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, §24.2-604, paragraph A.

If you&#039;re &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; interested, it&#039;s still &lt;a href=&quot;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+24.2-604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and still §24.2-604, paragraph A.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested, the code in question is <a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+24.2-604" rel="nofollow">here</a>, §24.2-604, paragraph A.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re <i>not</i> interested, it&#8217;s still <a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+24.2-604" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and still §24.2-604, paragraph A.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/10/15/its-official-leave-the-campaign-gear-in-the-car/comment-page-1/#comment-141933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How often do I agree with the ACLU?  Wow.

Anyway, this ruling is bogus.  Going through the legislature is too slow.  I support going to court to get an injunction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How often do I agree with the ACLU?  Wow.</p>
<p>Anyway, this ruling is bogus.  Going through the legislature is too slow.  I support going to court to get an injunction.</p>
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