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		<title>By: Sessoms&#8217; strategist debunks &#8220;flyergate&#8221; &#124; Bearing Drift :: Virginia Politics and Podcasts</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143393</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the very same precincts as Vivian Paige (in attempt to connect the flyers influencing the race) - I have compared the Glenn Davis / Reba [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143258</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Brian, I am.  And, as with most things, I thank God that He has given me far better than I deserve!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Brian, I am.  And, as with most things, I thank God that He has given me far better than I deserve!</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143256</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LittleDavid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark Brooks,

I do have a blog.  Click on my name to sample it.

But I wished to involve myself in Virginia politics so I sought out blogs that were more specific on this subject then were mine.

Stupid me.

Hey, quake at the involvement of my vote in recent elections.  Although I am only one man with one vote (and a few voters in my family that listen to my opinion) I have recently been pretty successful in getting those I voted for elected.

Now, up until you included guys like me in the conversation, just how successful were you?  If you exclude me from the conversation I might have to swing the other way.

Like drunks coming out of the bar, we must swing from one side to the next.  I&#039;ve been voting Democratic recently, but if liberal Dems get drunk on their success I can swing Republican to teach them a lesson.

Reality (sometimes, not always) follows my vote.  I think my vote is a better barometer then yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Brooks,</p>
<p>I do have a blog.  Click on my name to sample it.</p>
<p>But I wished to involve myself in Virginia politics so I sought out blogs that were more specific on this subject then were mine.</p>
<p>Stupid me.</p>
<p>Hey, quake at the involvement of my vote in recent elections.  Although I am only one man with one vote (and a few voters in my family that listen to my opinion) I have recently been pretty successful in getting those I voted for elected.</p>
<p>Now, up until you included guys like me in the conversation, just how successful were you?  If you exclude me from the conversation I might have to swing the other way.</p>
<p>Like drunks coming out of the bar, we must swing from one side to the next.  I&#8217;ve been voting Democratic recently, but if liberal Dems get drunk on their success I can swing Republican to teach them a lesson.</p>
<p>Reality (sometimes, not always) follows my vote.  I think my vote is a better barometer then yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t know you were married.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know you were married.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not such a bad idea, Brian.  I guess even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not such a bad idea, Brian.  I guess even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anon, by that logic, we should only have one office on the ballot per day.  That way we can be sure that only those who &quot;care about&quot; that office are voting for it, huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, by that logic, we should only have one office on the ballot per day.  That way we can be sure that only those who &#8220;care about&#8221; that office are voting for it, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m working on getting the government grant!

An interesting case is, of course, the Georgia Senate run-off election.  In the general election, there was 65% turnout, but in the run-off, only 35%.  If that missing 30% cared about the Senate election, why didn&#039;t they vote?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working on getting the government grant!</p>
<p>An interesting case is, of course, the Georgia Senate run-off election.  In the general election, there was 65% turnout, but in the run-off, only 35%.  If that missing 30% cared about the Senate election, why didn&#8217;t they vote?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143248</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are May elections all over the place, Anon.  Get to it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are May elections all over the place, Anon.  Get to it!</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since May elections no longer exist, that will be a little hard to prove.  However, we can extrapolate from on-year and off-year congressional and statehouse elections.  Surveys of those registered to vote and those who actually vote would need to be conducted.

I do not know whether such surveys have been done.  It would have been nice if Virginia had done such surveys before deciding that just having more voters is better, even if those voters may not be informed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since May elections no longer exist, that will be a little hard to prove.  However, we can extrapolate from on-year and off-year congressional and statehouse elections.  Surveys of those registered to vote and those who actually vote would need to be conducted.</p>
<p>I do not know whether such surveys have been done.  It would have been nice if Virginia had done such surveys before deciding that just having more voters is better, even if those voters may not be informed.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143246</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know that is the case, Mouse. Like Brian, I&#039;d like to see some evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that is the case, Mouse. Like Brian, I&#8217;d like to see some evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anon, care to prove that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, care to prove that?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143243</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason I prefer May elections is that those who are INFORMED are the ones who vote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I prefer May elections is that those who are INFORMED are the ones who vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143242</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, let&#039;s run with the assumption that 75% of the Moss votes would have gone to Sessoms, and 25% to Oberndorf.  Since Wallace was a &quot;Republican activist&quot; according to HRT, we can assume the same percentages would have gone to Dean and Oberndorf in 2004.

So in 2004, the tally would have been:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Flier Precincts:
Oberndorf...1244...48.63%
Dean........1314...51.37%

City-wide:
Oberndorf...21,533...52.32%
Dean........19,625...47.68%
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In 2008, the tally would have been:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Flier Precints:
Oberndorf...6703....40.19%
Sessoms.....9974....59.81%

City-wide:
Oberndorf...82,484....40.89%
Sessoms....119,236....59.11%
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again, in 2004, Oberndorf had a 3.69% deficit in the flier precincts vs. city-wide, but in 2008 that deficit narrowed to 0.70%.

When we assumed an even split, those deficits were 3.37% in 2004 and 0.44% in 2008.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, let&#8217;s run with the assumption that 75% of the Moss votes would have gone to Sessoms, and 25% to Oberndorf.  Since Wallace was a &#8220;Republican activist&#8221; according to HRT, we can assume the same percentages would have gone to Dean and Oberndorf in 2004.</p>
<p>So in 2004, the tally would have been:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Flier Precincts:<br />
Oberndorf&#8230;1244&#8230;48.63%<br />
Dean&#8230;&#8230;..1314&#8230;51.37%</p>
<p>City-wide:<br />
Oberndorf&#8230;21,533&#8230;52.32%<br />
Dean&#8230;&#8230;..19,625&#8230;47.68%
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<p>In 2008, the tally would have been:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Flier Precints:<br />
Oberndorf&#8230;6703&#8230;.40.19%<br />
Sessoms&#8230;..9974&#8230;.59.81%</p>
<p>City-wide:<br />
Oberndorf&#8230;82,484&#8230;.40.89%<br />
Sessoms&#8230;.119,236&#8230;.59.11%
</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, in 2004, Oberndorf had a 3.69% deficit in the flier precincts vs. city-wide, but in 2008 that deficit narrowed to 0.70%.</p>
<p>When we assumed an even split, those deficits were 3.37% in 2004 and 0.44% in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-2/#comment-143238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And it seems that the elections will &lt;a href=&quot;http://hamptonroads.com/2008/12/virginia-beach-drops-idea-returning-may-elections&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;remain in November&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it seems that the elections will <a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2008/12/virginia-beach-drops-idea-returning-may-elections" rel="nofollow">remain in November</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: silence dogood</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143237</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[silence dogood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know that there&#039;s a good methodology to use when looking at the old results.  The assumption being made is that the segement of the electorate which participated in the may elections is static (that the same people would have turned out and cast votes no matter who was on the ballot--I&#039;m dubious about this) and that the 13% or so of the voters who participated in a May 04 election would have been representative of the entire voting age population of the city--even though it&#039;s a very small self-selecting sample.  And few people believe that&#039;s true, it&#039;s why a good number of people wanted to move the municipal elections to November in the first place, to take advantage of increased voter turnout to improve the representativeness of the sample.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s a good methodology to use when looking at the old results.  The assumption being made is that the segement of the electorate which participated in the may elections is static (that the same people would have turned out and cast votes no matter who was on the ballot&#8211;I&#8217;m dubious about this) and that the 13% or so of the voters who participated in a May 04 election would have been representative of the entire voting age population of the city&#8211;even though it&#8217;s a very small self-selecting sample.  And few people believe that&#8217;s true, it&#8217;s why a good number of people wanted to move the municipal elections to November in the first place, to take advantage of increased voter turnout to improve the representativeness of the sample.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not really. By taking the 25.65% out of the total projected votes, then essentially, you are splitting the difference between the two candidates equally. If, for example, I allocated 75% of the 25.65% to Dean and only 25% to Oberndorf, her numbers are higher.

Like I said, apples and oranges.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really. By taking the 25.65% out of the total projected votes, then essentially, you are splitting the difference between the two candidates equally. If, for example, I allocated 75% of the 25.65% to Dean and only 25% to Oberndorf, her numbers are higher.</p>
<p>Like I said, apples and oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Moss took more votes from Dean than from Oberndorf, then her 2004 results in those flier precincts was even worse still, compared to her results in the rest of the city.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Moss took more votes from Dean than from Oberndorf, then her 2004 results in those flier precincts was even worse still, compared to her results in the rest of the city.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually took a look at the 2004 projected numbers with 25.65% of the vote allocated to the others and then the remaining votes to Oberndorf/Dean. But in all honesty, I didn&#039;t place any value on the results, mainly because I think (and correct me if I&#039;m wrong), the Moss challenger in 2008 would have taken more votes from Dean than from Oberndorf due to the similarity of their platforms.  

But given the different dynamics in the 2004 versus 2008 races, I still think its an apples to oranges comparison. 

Or, as Kirwin said, useless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually took a look at the 2004 projected numbers with 25.65% of the vote allocated to the others and then the remaining votes to Oberndorf/Dean. But in all honesty, I didn&#8217;t place any value on the results, mainly because I think (and correct me if I&#8217;m wrong), the Moss challenger in 2008 would have taken more votes from Dean than from Oberndorf due to the similarity of their platforms.  </p>
<p>But given the different dynamics in the 2004 versus 2008 races, I still think its an apples to oranges comparison. </p>
<p>Or, as Kirwin said, useless.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a simple matter of &quot;Full Disclosure.&quot;  The law requires a &quot;Paid for by...&quot; notice on such fliers, and none existed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a simple matter of &#8220;Full Disclosure.&#8221;  The law requires a &#8220;Paid for by&#8230;&#8221; notice on such fliers, and none existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Brooks</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LD: Even wild speculation is preferable to your current state of jumping at a moments notice.

I am sure you have observations that are germane to this subject...like for instance historical insight into other election-related fraud and what the outcome was. Just a suggestion.

Also, it seems like you have a lot to say. Have you considered making a blog of your own? They are free, and can be both endless headaches and/or fun, depending on the day.

Also just a suggestion. You just seem really tense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LD: Even wild speculation is preferable to your current state of jumping at a moments notice.</p>
<p>I am sure you have observations that are germane to this subject&#8230;like for instance historical insight into other election-related fraud and what the outcome was. Just a suggestion.</p>
<p>Also, it seems like you have a lot to say. Have you considered making a blog of your own? They are free, and can be both endless headaches and/or fun, depending on the day.</p>
<p>Also just a suggestion. You just seem really tense.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LittleDavid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ackk.

My last reply to MB was not germane to the subject.  However it was applicable to a previous, unrelated post by him.

And I could not resist in taking off after the &quot;sun rising in the east and setting in the west&quot; comment.

I apologize for being too ready at the keyboard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ackk.</p>
<p>My last reply to MB was not germane to the subject.  However it was applicable to a previous, unrelated post by him.</p>
<p>And I could not resist in taking off after the &#8220;sun rising in the east and setting in the west&#8221; comment.</p>
<p>I apologize for being too ready at the keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143230</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LittleDavid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MB,

Us guys living in the center get to benefit from both the sunrise and the sunset.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB,</p>
<p>Us guys living in the center get to benefit from both the sunrise and the sunset.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And yet another person asks us to explain the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet another person asks us to explain the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.</p>
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		<title>By: dogface</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143227</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dogface]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can a flier be illegal? Government can not abridge freedom of speech.  Sounds like sour grapes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can a flier be illegal? Government can not abridge freedom of speech.  Sounds like sour grapes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, typos all over the place.

For 2004, the second number is correct, Oberndorf got 54.09% of the major-party votes -- 20,907 out of 38,653.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, typos all over the place.</p>
<p>For 2004, the second number is correct, Oberndorf got 54.09% of the major-party votes &#8212; 20,907 out of 38,653.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I should have said that Oberndorf fared slightly WORSE than she did city-wide in 2008, not slightly better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I should have said that Oberndorf fared slightly WORSE than she did city-wide in 2008, not slightly better.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143217</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, here&#039;s another take on the data.

Ignoring the minor candidates, as Vivian does, Oberndorf got 47.15% of the votes and Sessoms got 52.85%.  City-wide, the results were 47.59% of Oberndorf and 52.41% for Sessoms.  So she fared slightly better in the flier districts than in the city as a whole, but not so well as in what Vivian calls &quot;Democratic districts.&quot;

In 2004, again taking only the numbers for the two major candidates, Oberndorf actually fared WORSE in the &quot;flier districts.&quot;  She took 54.05% of the vote city-wide, but only 50.72% of the &quot;flier district&quot; votes.

In the project of the 2004 election to the 2008 turnout, Vivian projected the TOTAL turnout, not just the votes for Oberndorf and Dean.  Since in 2004, only 6% of the vote went to other candidates, while nearly 25% did in 2008.  Let&#039;s look at Seatack:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
For example, for Seatack, 1,959/3,363*3309 equals 1,928 total projected votes and 130/(130+146)*1,928 equals 908 votes for Oberndorf and 146/(130+146)*1,928 equals 1,020 for Dean.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However, in 2008, Oberndorf and Sessoms together got 1371 votes, not 1959.  Oberndorf got 47.1% of the major-party votes in 2004 (130 out of 276), so that would translate into 695 votes in 2008.  The 564 she got is still a 131 vote drop, but not a 344 vote drop.

Seatack is, of course, only one district.  In the flier districts as a whole, Oberndorf did WORSE in 2004.  To reiterate, Oberndorf got 50.72% of the flier-district major-party votes in 2004, versus 54.09% city-wide -- a 3.37% difference.  In 2008, however, she got 47.15% of the flier-district major-party votes, versus 47.59% city-wide -- only a 0.44% difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, here&#8217;s another take on the data.</p>
<p>Ignoring the minor candidates, as Vivian does, Oberndorf got 47.15% of the votes and Sessoms got 52.85%.  City-wide, the results were 47.59% of Oberndorf and 52.41% for Sessoms.  So she fared slightly better in the flier districts than in the city as a whole, but not so well as in what Vivian calls &#8220;Democratic districts.&#8221;</p>
<p>In 2004, again taking only the numbers for the two major candidates, Oberndorf actually fared WORSE in the &#8220;flier districts.&#8221;  She took 54.05% of the vote city-wide, but only 50.72% of the &#8220;flier district&#8221; votes.</p>
<p>In the project of the 2004 election to the 2008 turnout, Vivian projected the TOTAL turnout, not just the votes for Oberndorf and Dean.  Since in 2004, only 6% of the vote went to other candidates, while nearly 25% did in 2008.  Let&#8217;s look at Seatack:</p>
<blockquote><p>
For example, for Seatack, 1,959/3,363*3309 equals 1,928 total projected votes and 130/(130+146)*1,928 equals 908 votes for Oberndorf and 146/(130+146)*1,928 equals 1,020 for Dean.
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<p>However, in 2008, Oberndorf and Sessoms together got 1371 votes, not 1959.  Oberndorf got 47.1% of the major-party votes in 2004 (130 out of 276), so that would translate into 695 votes in 2008.  The 564 she got is still a 131 vote drop, but not a 344 vote drop.</p>
<p>Seatack is, of course, only one district.  In the flier districts as a whole, Oberndorf did WORSE in 2004.  To reiterate, Oberndorf got 50.72% of the flier-district major-party votes in 2004, versus 54.09% city-wide &#8212; a 3.37% difference.  In 2008, however, she got 47.15% of the flier-district major-party votes, versus 47.59% city-wide &#8212; only a 0.44% difference.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LittleDavid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, and in 2008 voters were motivated to vote for change.  In the Mayor&#039;s office they got one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, and in 2008 voters were motivated to vote for change.  In the Mayor&#8217;s office they got one!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/12/04/fliergate-a-closer-look-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-143215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beating Robert Dean in May is like an Olympic sport.  It happened every 4 years.  (96,2000,2004).

Comparing how Meyera did against him to anything else is pretty useless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beating Robert Dean in May is like an Olympic sport.  It happened every 4 years.  (96,2000,2004).</p>
<p>Comparing how Meyera did against him to anything else is pretty useless.</p>
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