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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He is a true Democrat -- accuse the opposition of doing exactly what you are doing.  (Then act shocked, &lt;i&gt;shocked, I say&lt;/i&gt;, when someone accuses you.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a true Democrat &#8212; accuse the opposition of doing exactly what you are doing.  (Then act shocked, <i>shocked, I say</i>, when someone accuses you.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Complaining about smears in a comment full of smears?

I&#039;m amazed you squeezed so many insults and namecalling into one comment.  Surely you are to be commended.  I only knew one other person who could do that so well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complaining about smears in a comment full of smears?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed you squeezed so many insults and namecalling into one comment.  Surely you are to be commended.  I only knew one other person who could do that so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the petty sniping by Kirwin at Vivian says it all!  This is what the republublithugs do!  They run dirty, nasty smear campaigns, then sit on the sidelines playing pious!  Its obvious, except to the legally dull, that McDonnell, based on his actions in office, will do anything to get elected. ANYTHING! You are just getting a peek at October, when they will no longer use facts, and just start making up lies!  Its what they do.  Its also why they are the minority party in the Congress, White House, Virginia Senate, Governor&#039;s Mansion and soon to be the House of Delegates.  They have done this to themselves, yet, here we see a prime example of why.  

Just as a factual point of reference, Palin pushed her kids into the limelight, the media didn&#039;t go &quot;after&quot; them, she ran them out, to make herself look good.  Big difference, but then why am I pointing out a factual difference to a professional smear artist?   Won&#039;t make a bit of difference.  

I&#039;m just glad to see that they are still using the same playbook, that cost them the congress, WH, VA Senate, Governor&#039;s Mansion and soon to be HOD.  Clearly the republithugs are slow learners.   Try as they might, slither under the rocks, twist, spin and opine, they are destroying themselves and will blame everyone else, but themselves for their humiliating losses.  So please, keep posting BK, so we can see the entire 2009 playbook on campaign tactics!  Lets see that manufactured indignation and pompous bellyaching! 

Keep it up Vivian, you&#039;ve drawn them out, in a most professional and accurate manner.  Lets watch them huff-n-puff-n-pound-their-little-hairless-chests!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the petty sniping by Kirwin at Vivian says it all!  This is what the republublithugs do!  They run dirty, nasty smear campaigns, then sit on the sidelines playing pious!  Its obvious, except to the legally dull, that McDonnell, based on his actions in office, will do anything to get elected. ANYTHING! You are just getting a peek at October, when they will no longer use facts, and just start making up lies!  Its what they do.  Its also why they are the minority party in the Congress, White House, Virginia Senate, Governor&#8217;s Mansion and soon to be the House of Delegates.  They have done this to themselves, yet, here we see a prime example of why.  </p>
<p>Just as a factual point of reference, Palin pushed her kids into the limelight, the media didn&#8217;t go &#8220;after&#8221; them, she ran them out, to make herself look good.  Big difference, but then why am I pointing out a factual difference to a professional smear artist?   Won&#8217;t make a bit of difference.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just glad to see that they are still using the same playbook, that cost them the congress, WH, VA Senate, Governor&#8217;s Mansion and soon to be HOD.  Clearly the republithugs are slow learners.   Try as they might, slither under the rocks, twist, spin and opine, they are destroying themselves and will blame everyone else, but themselves for their humiliating losses.  So please, keep posting BK, so we can see the entire 2009 playbook on campaign tactics!  Lets see that manufactured indignation and pompous bellyaching! </p>
<p>Keep it up Vivian, you&#8217;ve drawn them out, in a most professional and accurate manner.  Lets watch them huff-n-puff-n-pound-their-little-hairless-chests!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you want to make the rules the rest of have to live by, everything is fair game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you want to make the rules the rest of have to live by, everything is fair game.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The drinking age, yes.  That the son is an adult, no.  Minors (&lt;18 y.o.) should be off-limits, period.  The actions of adult children, OTOH, are irrelevant.  Thus, children in general are off-limits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The drinking age, yes.  That the son is an adult, no.  Minors (&lt;18 y.o.) should be off-limits, period.  The actions of adult children, OTOH, are irrelevant.  Thus, children in general are off-limits.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151268</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Brian, it wasn&#039;t the Deeds story. It was something that is going on locally that I&#039;ve been aware of for some time. And while this post appeared on my blog today, it has been sitting in my drafts for a while as I figured out how to talk about the bigger issue of candidates&#039; families as opposed to a specific case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Brian, it wasn&#8217;t the Deeds story. It was something that is going on locally that I&#8217;ve been aware of for some time. And while this post appeared on my blog today, it has been sitting in my drafts for a while as I figured out how to talk about the bigger issue of candidates&#8217; families as opposed to a specific case.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151266</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll bet it was Terry McAuliffe, unless he was too busy putting &quot;blood sweat and tears&quot; into getting Deeds elected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bet it was Terry McAuliffe, unless he was too busy putting &#8220;blood sweat and tears&#8221; into getting Deeds elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t write your post today, Vivian.  You did, and the thought about families only seemed to prompt you to post when it was a Democrat family being talked about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t write your post today, Vivian.  You did, and the thought about families only seemed to prompt you to post when it was a Democrat family being talked about.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Vaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mouse,
I completely agree. The drinking age was 18 when I came of age. Seems to me it makes sense to have ONE age where you become an adult and come into all adult rights and responsibilities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mouse,<br />
I completely agree. The drinking age was 18 when I came of age. Seems to me it makes sense to have ONE age where you become an adult and come into all adult rights and responsibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the issue has to be newsworthy on its own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the issue has to be newsworthy on its own.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151262</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I said that was a point for another story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I said that was a point for another story.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Notice the qualifier &quot;appears to have been&quot; and that I quoted the newspaper&#039;s characterization.

I can think of a whole lot of folks that are not the McDonnell campaign that could have placed this story, including the RGA or just a supporter. I intentionally did not lay the blame at the feet of the McDonnell campaign because I have no evidence that his campaign was behind it. (That, plus we Dems just went through a primary in which a campaign was charged with the behavior of its supporters.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice the qualifier &#8220;appears to have been&#8221; and that I quoted the newspaper&#8217;s characterization.</p>
<p>I can think of a whole lot of folks that are not the McDonnell campaign that could have placed this story, including the RGA or just a supporter. I intentionally did not lay the blame at the feet of the McDonnell campaign because I have no evidence that his campaign was behind it. (That, plus we Dems just went through a primary in which a campaign was charged with the behavior of its supporters.)</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151260</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;constant attacks&quot; as you call them were not things I posted about on this blog, Brian. I acknowledged that I had written a single post about it. 

If you were so concerned about the attacks, why didn&#039;t you question them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;constant attacks&#8221; as you call them were not things I posted about on this blog, Brian. I acknowledged that I had written a single post about it. </p>
<p>If you were so concerned about the attacks, why didn&#8217;t you question them?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151258</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gimme a break, folks.  &quot;Underage drinking&quot;?  This man is an adult.  The stupidity is a drinking age of 21.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gimme a break, folks.  &#8220;Underage drinking&#8221;?  This man is an adult.  The stupidity is a drinking age of 21.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Tabor</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Tabor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, OK, I guess I mistook the statement &quot;this story was appears to have been spread by those seeking political advantage.&quot; to place blame on the McDonnell campaign since there is no one else running against Deeds. 

So, who are the others who might be seeking political advantage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, OK, I guess I mistook the statement &#8220;this story was appears to have been spread by those seeking political advantage.&#8221; to place blame on the McDonnell campaign since there is no one else running against Deeds. </p>
<p>So, who are the others who might be seeking political advantage?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151256</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The constant attacks on Palin&#039;s children just went under your radar, but this little story about Creigh Deeds&#039; son (who is an adult, by the way) makes you wonder if families should be off limits?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The constant attacks on Palin&#8217;s children just went under your radar, but this little story about Creigh Deeds&#8217; son (who is an adult, by the way) makes you wonder if families should be off limits?</p>
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		<title>By: tx2vadem</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tx2vadem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are public figures.  This, in my mind, is a cost of that role.  It is the Tao of fame, if you will.

As far as the nature of this, on one hand, it humanizes these figures.  And in many cases, these incidents unearth topics that are general problems that many families face and, in some cases, that we as a society face (like teen pregnancy and underage drinking).  On the other, the relations never chose to be public figures and may not want to be.  So, having their missteps out there for public consumption seems unfair.  And as a whole, maybe this serves to influence people not to run for public office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are public figures.  This, in my mind, is a cost of that role.  It is the Tao of fame, if you will.</p>
<p>As far as the nature of this, on one hand, it humanizes these figures.  And in many cases, these incidents unearth topics that are general problems that many families face and, in some cases, that we as a society face (like teen pregnancy and underage drinking).  On the other, the relations never chose to be public figures and may not want to be.  So, having their missteps out there for public consumption seems unfair.  And as a whole, maybe this serves to influence people not to run for public office.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least I question, Brian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least I question, Brian.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Vaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the story is legitimate IF, as the Pilot did, the source of the information is pointed out. The fact that the opposition party is peddling dirt is the more important part of the story than the relatively minor offense, committed by a member of the candidate&#039;s family. I think the story should have been taken further by directly questioning the McDonnell campaign and asking them if they were behind it and did they endorse that sort of thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the story is legitimate IF, as the Pilot did, the source of the information is pointed out. The fact that the opposition party is peddling dirt is the more important part of the story than the relatively minor offense, committed by a member of the candidate&#8217;s family. I think the story should have been taken further by directly questioning the McDonnell campaign and asking them if they were behind it and did they endorse that sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: vjp</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vjp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read it again, Don. I made no such assumption. Asking McDonnell to denounce the tactics isn&#039;t the same as blaming him for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read it again, Don. I made no such assumption. Asking McDonnell to denounce the tactics isn&#8217;t the same as blaming him for them.</p>
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		<title>By: The Jaded JD</title>
		<link>http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2009/07/13/opinion-please-candidates-families-off-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-151250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Jaded JD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a blanket rule here, partly because I think it depends on the candidate-parent&#039;s behavior.  (And there&#039;s another example that springs to mind:  Jim Webb&#039;s son&#039;s enlistment and deployment to Iraq.)  I think it turns on a few different factors:

(1)  Would the item be newsworthy, to the same degree, if the person involved were not related to the public figure?  A 20-year-old arrested for misdemeanor underage alcohol possession in Bath County probably would not be news in Richmond, Northern Virginia, or Tidewater.  Nor would a pregnant, unmarried 17-year-old girl in Alaska be news nationwide.  On the other hand, would a shoplifting conviction in Henrico County be reported in the Times-Dispatch even if the offender were not Chief Justice Hassell&#039;s daughter?  Probably, but probably not as prominently as it was.

If the item is newsworthy on its on--and on the same scale--it clearly is fair game, good or bad.  If a relative of either of the candidates for governor went on a statewide ax-murdering spree, it&#039;s going to be news regardless of the candidate.  On the other hand, ordinarily private things like their school performance, medical records, credit histories would only ever be in the public view *because* of their relationship to the candidate.  So there&#039;s a spectrum here.

(2)  To what degree does the candidate place the family member in the public view?  Surrounding oneself with pictures of one&#039;s family in a political ad or on the stage at a political event is pretty standard:  it signals nothing more than that they exist.  But I think it&#039;s a step farther when, for example, a candidate describes one of his children as &quot;an honor roll student at X University.&quot;  That puts the student&#039;s grades in issue and possibly fairly invites scrutiny into the academic record.

(3)  I think that the age of the relative instinctively is a factor, but I don&#039;t know that it bears up to analysis.  On one hand, the younger the person is the more leeway they should have to make mistakes and escape scrutiny.  On the other hand, the older the person is the less likely they are to operate under the control of the candidate.  A parent can&#039;t do much about his 32-year-old child&#039;s behavior anymore, can he?  But a 5-year-old who steals a pack of gum from a convenience store while his parent is gassing up the minivan between campaign stops might be so young he deserves a free pass.

So, in the end, there are too many subjective considerations to make a firm rule--and that room for subjectivity is always going to allow one side to accuse the other of being unfair whenever it criticizes a candidate&#039;s family member.  I think the only firm rule is that when a public figure completely separates his family from his public role, the issue truly has to be completely newsworthy on its own--like the ax-murder example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a blanket rule here, partly because I think it depends on the candidate-parent&#8217;s behavior.  (And there&#8217;s another example that springs to mind:  Jim Webb&#8217;s son&#8217;s enlistment and deployment to Iraq.)  I think it turns on a few different factors:</p>
<p>(1)  Would the item be newsworthy, to the same degree, if the person involved were not related to the public figure?  A 20-year-old arrested for misdemeanor underage alcohol possession in Bath County probably would not be news in Richmond, Northern Virginia, or Tidewater.  Nor would a pregnant, unmarried 17-year-old girl in Alaska be news nationwide.  On the other hand, would a shoplifting conviction in Henrico County be reported in the Times-Dispatch even if the offender were not Chief Justice Hassell&#8217;s daughter?  Probably, but probably not as prominently as it was.</p>
<p>If the item is newsworthy on its on&#8211;and on the same scale&#8211;it clearly is fair game, good or bad.  If a relative of either of the candidates for governor went on a statewide ax-murdering spree, it&#8217;s going to be news regardless of the candidate.  On the other hand, ordinarily private things like their school performance, medical records, credit histories would only ever be in the public view *because* of their relationship to the candidate.  So there&#8217;s a spectrum here.</p>
<p>(2)  To what degree does the candidate place the family member in the public view?  Surrounding oneself with pictures of one&#8217;s family in a political ad or on the stage at a political event is pretty standard:  it signals nothing more than that they exist.  But I think it&#8217;s a step farther when, for example, a candidate describes one of his children as &#8220;an honor roll student at X University.&#8221;  That puts the student&#8217;s grades in issue and possibly fairly invites scrutiny into the academic record.</p>
<p>(3)  I think that the age of the relative instinctively is a factor, but I don&#8217;t know that it bears up to analysis.  On one hand, the younger the person is the more leeway they should have to make mistakes and escape scrutiny.  On the other hand, the older the person is the less likely they are to operate under the control of the candidate.  A parent can&#8217;t do much about his 32-year-old child&#8217;s behavior anymore, can he?  But a 5-year-old who steals a pack of gum from a convenience store while his parent is gassing up the minivan between campaign stops might be so young he deserves a free pass.</p>
<p>So, in the end, there are too many subjective considerations to make a firm rule&#8211;and that room for subjectivity is always going to allow one side to accuse the other of being unfair whenever it criticizes a candidate&#8217;s family member.  I think the only firm rule is that when a public figure completely separates his family from his public role, the issue truly has to be completely newsworthy on its own&#8211;like the ax-murder example.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Tabor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Tabor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do you presume the anonymous &quot;operatives&quot; the Pilot mentioned are from the McDonnell campaign? Would not the Pilot have said so, if for no other reason than to inflame those of us who agree that families should not be held up to a microscope?

Is it not just as likely that it was Deed&#039;s own people, who, knowing it would come out at some time, chose to have it surface and be done with early in the campaign?

Aside from which, how many voters who live in the real world are going to get that worked up over a 20 yr old college student drinking?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you presume the anonymous &#8220;operatives&#8221; the Pilot mentioned are from the McDonnell campaign? Would not the Pilot have said so, if for no other reason than to inflame those of us who agree that families should not be held up to a microscope?</p>
<p>Is it not just as likely that it was Deed&#8217;s own people, who, knowing it would come out at some time, chose to have it surface and be done with early in the campaign?</p>
<p>Aside from which, how many voters who live in the real world are going to get that worked up over a 20 yr old college student drinking?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kirwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re only now questioning?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re only now questioning?</p>
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		<title>By: Rita</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that candidates families should not be game for their wrong doings.
The problem is when the candidates put their family out there in advertisements and campaign lit. - the candidates are exposing their families the the same amount of scrutiny as if they were the candidate.  
It shows to others that the absentee parent is too busy campaigning than taking care of family business - I know, I know this can happen to any family at any time but it&#039;s the bad timing during a campaign that shows a cry for help and attention from the family.
Look at former Gov. Bush from Fl. children one had drug problems and the other once and the other one was in trouble for misdeeds involving a vehicle.
Families and politics are a tricky balancing act.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that candidates families should not be game for their wrong doings.<br />
The problem is when the candidates put their family out there in advertisements and campaign lit. &#8211; the candidates are exposing their families the the same amount of scrutiny as if they were the candidate.<br />
It shows to others that the absentee parent is too busy campaigning than taking care of family business &#8211; I know, I know this can happen to any family at any time but it&#8217;s the bad timing during a campaign that shows a cry for help and attention from the family.<br />
Look at former Gov. Bush from Fl. children one had drug problems and the other once and the other one was in trouble for misdeeds involving a vehicle.<br />
Families and politics are a tricky balancing act.</p>
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