Like nearly every other blogger in Hampton Roads (Eileen, Jerry & Sean from VB Dems, Jim Hoeft from Bearing Drift, hrconservative from VCA – whom I sat next to, and Insider from Hampton Roads Politics – who obvioulsy wants to remain anonymous since he didn’t introduce himself), I attended this morning’s debate between incumbent Congresswoman Thelma Drake and challenger and Virginia Beach Commissioner of the Revenue Phil Kellam. Bearing Drift will have a has podcast of the debate on his website along with interviews that he did with a number of people there. I also recorded the debate as an attempt to do a bit of podcasting. Assuming Jim posts the entire debate, don’t expect me to post mine.
The event was hosted by the Virginia Beach Taxpayer Alliance, an organization affliated with the National Taxpayers Union and was held at Marion Manor Retirement Center. Moderated by Joel Rubin, the event started promptly at 9 am and was, thankfully, limited to its announced 90 minutes. There was an overflow crowd, made even more so by the presence of campaign workers from both sides and the media. Strangely enough, there were no opening statements from the candidates. After a brief introduction and a statement of the rules, the questions began.
This was the first time I have seen Drake speak and while I have heard Kellam speak a couple of times, this was the first time in a debate environment. I intentionally did not make notes during the debate, as I wanted to actively listen to what was being presented by the candidates. I also wanted to observe the reactions of people to the message each candidate presented. I would guess that the crowd was about 60% pro-Drake and about 40% pro-Kellam. It seemed only a few people in the room were truly undecided. One of those people was sitting to my right (hrconservative was on my left). Cheryl, one of the few black attendees, told me before the debate that if she were in NJ, she would be voting for a Democrat – no question. But, she said, the Democrats in Virginia are not as strong as the D’s in NJ and she felt she would vote for whoever best answered a question that she had.
For me, the debate was boring. At 9:40, I started looking at my watch. Oh my! Nearly another hour! And I sensed I wasn’t the only one. While the crowd (and the candidates) remained mostly respectful at the beginning, it wasn’t too long before they started responding to answers (or non-answers) being given. Cheryl’s question – on education gaps between black and white kids – really got no answer from either candidate. She was disappointed, but applauded Drake’s knowledge that there Virginia has unspent funds from No Child Left Behind. Many of the questions sounded to me as if they had been raised purely to make one candidate look good (“What is the role of Congress in foreign affairs?”) or the other candidate look bad (“Why should you continue to draw your salary as commissioner while campaigning?”).
To break the monotony of the campaign rhetoric, each candidate had props. Kellam had a copy of Drake’s latest mailing and a copy a mailing he had sent out during his run for commissioner and passed them around for people to see how similar they were in terms of what campaign materials look like. He tried to make the point that the Drake mail was a targeted piece by asking those who did not receive the mail to raise their hands. While it confirmed for me that the mail was targeted, I’m not so sure that many people in the room understood the point. He wasn’t clear on what targeted mail is and why it is used.
For the most part, Kellam suffers from the same problem that nearly every challenger suffers when taking on an incumbent: the lack of intimate knowledge of the issues. (He did know, however, that Indonesia is not an Arab nation.) Drake may spew the party line but she sounds good when she’s doing it. When the question on global warming came up, Cheryl – the lady next to me – whispered, “Why don’t Republicans support doing something about global warming?” “Because they don’t believe it exists,” I whispered back. Cheryl was suprised at my answer. Sure enough, when Drake answered the question, she said there were theories that this really isn’t global warming we are experiencing; instead, it may be a normal climatic shift. Cheryl and I exchanged knowing glances.
While I do not agree with Drake’s positions on most things, she articulates them clearly and succiently and demonstrates a grasp of the issues that Kellam cannot yet match. Kellam has about three and a half months to convince the voters in the 2nd of two things: why Drake should be fired and why he is the person to replace her. In his closing statement, he made some headway on the second question, by referring to his accomplishments as commissioner. He has a ways to go on the first question.
Good write-up, Vivian. I think Kellam will make great strides with his presentation skills in very short order. The backbone of a great candidate is there; he just needs some fine tuning.
Great Blog Vivian,
As both candiadates were punching and counter punching on monies spent by our representatives, I think they missed the boat by not speaking further on how HR25 benfits both parties and is long overdue. Granted, to her credit Thelma did say tax reform is iminent.
Vivian, do your party a service,look into HR 25, the Fairtax bill and research it with an unbiased eye. Phil told me today, he is 51/49 for it.
I am the District Director of the Southside Hampton Roads Americans for Fair Tax and I would like to talk to more Democrats about getting control of wasteful spending by antiquated revenue sytems.
51/49? Wow…he sure has firm beliefs!
Good write up. Appreciate the intellectual honesty.
Greg – you may not know that I am a CPA. That should give you a hint about what I think about HR 25 😉
Actually, I have plans to do a post on alternatives to our current income tax and HR 25 will be included there.
Vivian,
As a CPA would you rather help account for and make the best decisions for my company,and family investments , or would you rather spend your time helping me keep from paying the bulk of my earnings in taxes or worst yet help me legally hide my money from the government?
I look forward to your future posts on tax reform.
Viv,
Really, it took you until 9:40 a.m. to get bored?
Greg – helping clients to make the best decisions is what I do now. But I’m not getting into all that right now.
Jim – I think the first 20 minutes were just the invocation, pledge and Joel’s opening remarks. So, yeah – 20 minutes of rhetoric was about all it took. 😉
Vivian,
I appreciate your write up. Even though I’m not from the Hampton Roads area, it is always interesting to read discussions about what’s going on throughout the state.
I gain the impression from your write up, and I could be wrong, that Kellam was having troubles getting out his message. Has he been having that difficulty throughout the campaign, or just in the debate?
Bryan – I’m not sure how Kellam has performed in other venues. I saw him speak at his Norfolk kickoff and at my party – both friendly environments. He didn’t seem to have trouble communicating then but he had some today in the debate. Maybe somebody else can chime in on this.
He’s not having trouble communicating his message. He’s having trouble deciding his message. Phil is an exceptional communicator. It’s not how he says things that is his problem. He hasn’t defined why voters should choose him yet.
And with the way he waffled today, he’s made it that much tougher for himself.
Yeah, he really fell off the left clift today.
If it weren’t for my taking photos and standing, I think I would have been “out cold” by 9:35 a.m. That’s why I was so surprised you made it until 9:40 a.m. What stamina!
I wasn’t bored. Maybe it was that huge Mountain Dew I had before I walked in. . . .
Everyone else had coffee though.
I had neither. Not my normal MO, but I was running late.
Hey, Viv, noticed your thoughts are quite different over on Raising Kaine. Much more partisan than here.