Deeds: “Fired up”

2009 Gubernatorial Race, Creigh Deeds, Hampton Roads, Local, Norfolk, Politics, Virginia 1 Minute

Democratic gubernatorial candidate Creigh Deeds launched a new radio ad today featuring President Barack Obama.

The ad will air on stations in Richmond, Roanoke and Hampton Roads.

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20 thoughts on “Deeds: “Fired up””

    1. Did you notice that the video was tape Aug 11 (a lot has happened since then); and the poll that stated Deed has a lead is dated June 11. What is that all about? Oh yeah, the latest Wall Street polls indicated Deeds trailing behind McDonnell by 15%.

  3. Hey Tom: In the community this radio ad is running Obama’s numbers are very high! SMART move on the part of the Deeds camp! Great ad! By the way, remember Al Gore? Deed’s doesn’t want to make the same mistake he did distancing himself form Clinton!

  4. So, you are saying Deeds has to gear his ads and say one thing in liberal areas and another in Bath. Tough row to hoe serving two masters.

    I think Gore was wise to kick Bill to the curb. He would have lost by double digits had he hitched to Clinton’s coat tails.

    Like Deeds is now.

  5. Tom: You may be a minority of one in your analysis of the 2000 election. Even Republican commentators couldn’t understand why Gore wasn’t claiming credit for the Clinton record on the economy. Remember that, while the GOP base hated him as much as they hate Obama, Clinton’s approval rating were actually fairly high in the country even after the impeachement fiasco.

  6. Tom:
    This is not about serving two masters, Deeds message is the same in every community, it is about who helps him to deliver the message, and President Obama is a hugh asset to him among democrats. I see that you have a hard time thinking outside your own box. Anyway, Obama helps Creigh in his Democratic base, and with many Independents.

  7. Actually, Clinton was as toxic as it came in 2000. 8 years of burnout, recession beginning, scandal after scandal. Gore had to keep away. There were those that wanted him to be seen with Bill, but Clinton was just about as unpopular as Bush, and McCain stayed away. I suppose a decade from now, many of you will think McCain should have let W campaign.

    Deeds problem is, his conservative record. Pro gun, for abortion restrictions, English as the official language, etc. For years he has been playing for the Bath county Dems, who are more conservative than McCain.

    Deeds started out claiming he wanted to continue the great fiscal policies of Warner and Kaine. Oops. $6.5 billion in the hole. His last video SHIPS KAINE ENTIRELY. But he drags up Bush? When was Bush governor?

    So after chumming up with Warner and Kaine and avoiding Obama like the plague, he is 15 points down in the polls. Drop Kaine and run to Obama. Something’s gotta work, right?

    What he will find is that he is 15 points down BECAUSE of Obama. As bad as Bush was, his job approval was above 50% his entire first term. Obama is now below 50% and strong disapproval in the 40+% range.

    While the race is expected to tighten before November, Deeds has just tied himself to the Health Care plan and is now a part of the reduction in Social Security the Obama administration imposes next year. Seniors are mad, moderates are mad, and Bob is kicking butt.

    But you guys go right on with your Obama mania. Just make sure the NoVa Progressives don’t hear that bumpkin voice Deeds is so embarrassed of.

  8. Tom: Just go vote for Bob and stop trying to tell us Democrats what we are doing wrong, I think we are doing just fine, Have a Good Day!

  9. Hey, Silver Donkey. Sorry if my posts bother you. I am not insulting anyone, calling names or doing anything more than stating my opinion in the form of comments. That is what this space is for. I am always civil and I respect your opinion, but may not agree with them.

    If you are looking for blogs that I will never post on, I can suggest two of them. Visit Lowell Feld at Blue Virginia or Bradley Herring at WheresEricCantor.

    Bradley deletes all comments that he does not like, or is unable to find a response, and Lowell, well, let’s just say I find Lowell’s rhetoric intellectually dishonest. If you are looking for Tom free zones, I highly recommend either of them.

    And if Vivian has a problem with me posting things that are not me too, me too Democratic chatter, she can ask me to stop posting.

    I enjoy talking politics with everybody. I attend numerous town halls, many run by Democrats. I do not disrupt, and I add to the discussion. For proof, visit Tom Shield’s campaign website. He is running in the 73rd and had linked his website to my blog. As far as I know, he is the only candidate on the left to do so, but I hope others will consider it as time goes on.

    See, folks like Vivian and Tom Shields are quite capable of having intelligent conversations with those that do not believe the same as they do, and even make it intellectually stimulating.

    And you know what? Dialogs like these are the best way to come together as a country and a people. I even find that despite our differences, we are mostly alike. 90% anyway.

    Please know that I am not putting you down in any way, and welcome your opinion, even telling me to go away.

    But unless Vivian tells me I am not allowed to post dissenting views, I am afraid it is in my nature to continue.

    Please join in and refute my statements and be a part of the discussion.

    1. I take offense at this:

      And you know what? Dialogs like these are the best way to come together as a country and a people. I even find that despite our differences, we are mostly alike. 90% anyway.

      It doesn’t match with your pronouncements on your blog calling Progressives “…the KKK wing of the liberals…”

      I’ll take Clinton’s 60+% at the end of his term against 28% for Bush any day. Let’s see GWB down here for Bobby Mac. Good times had by all.

      This is what I believe has been referred to as telling them one thing here, and another over there. Truth hurts, huh Tom?

  10. It doesn’t match with your pronouncements on your blog calling Progressives “…the KKK wing of the liberals…”

    And what analogy would you use for progressives that claim Bob McDonnell should put a sign outside his office “Gays and Lesbians need not apply” with not one shred of evidence to back up such a bigoted claim? That, sir, is illogical and bigoted hatred, which is my opinion of the KKK.

    And you would be hard pressed to find a single blue blog that has not used derogatory terms like teabagger, accused every protester of carrying a weapon, and far more incendiary rhetoric that that.

    As much as Joe Abbey would like to run against Bush, it is not happening this time. Has Abbey ever won an election where he did not run against Bush? I don’t believe so.

    But we will never know for sure if Clinton could have helped Gore. It is an interesting debate, but there is no doubt Bush will NOT be stumping for Bob. He has been out of office for 8 months, and pretty much dropped off the radar. His first term was not so bad, but his second term was a disaster.

    And as for what I write on my blog, that has nothing to do with comments I leave here. If you look, you will find far more then the passage you found to offend you. If not, stay tuned. There’s more where that came from.

    However, when I post comments on another blog, I always try to remember I am a guest. My blog is a conservative blog, and to be honest, if you did NOT find something to take offense to, I would not be doing my job, as I have self defined it. Click on my about link on the blog for my definition of what my blog is designed to be, if you care.

    But what I do on my own blog has nothing to do with what I say on other blogs as comments. I am sure you understand how Jim Webb can write an incestuous pedophilia filled book and still have credibility, because it was literature.
    You can, right? Just keep saying “it’s only fiction and that makes it OK. His mind is not warped”.

    So, if you give Webb a pass for his literary work, does mine not deserve the same?

    There are many blogs, most of them left leaning. A vast majority of the lefty blogs have a tendency to take a non issue and try to make it a big thing. Like a confederate flag in a nearby booth. And I do the same.

    One thing I have noticed, though. Righty blogs are far more tolerant of differing viewpoints than the left leaning ones. A lot of you guys are VERY closed minded and not only intolerant of views that don’t agree with your own, but downright hostile.

    The comments in this thread are a case in point. I understand when I write this stuff you will not agree, but telling me to leave, searching my blog for something that offends you? Gun toting loonies?

    Looking back, Silver Donkey posted 2 posts that were perfectly fine, but when I posted facts and figures he was unable to refute, or spin, he got mad and told me to go away. Steve Vaughan posted a reasonable post.

    And to be honest, Mark, I recall most of your posts have been in the same personal attack mode. On this and other threads.

    Hey, I’ll hit you with facts and figures. I just wish that you could come up with a response other than what you have done here.

    Go back and read some of the responses Vivian gives. She has defended herself quite well on the abortion thread, which I was in earlier, but I find the tone of the poster she is talking with a bit too hostile for me to jump in.

    But, please try to have a little tolerance for me. Go find some facts and figures. How do you know I am accurate? Take me to task with some substance. It is really disappointing to me to see “leave” and you playing “gotcha”, Mark.

    This is not a contest, there are no right and wrong opinions. Well, mine are right to me and yours are wrong to me and vice versa.

    But, really. Tell me something that is great about Deeds? Why should Bath county AND NoVa progressives find him exciting? Can they both?

    I am just trying to stir up some back and forth. I really think I could make a better case for Deeds than you guys do.

    I am trying to get you to look at the issues. I’ll give you a hint, Mark. Deeds is a better candidate for you than Bob McDonnell is. I think we can all agree on that. Well, why is that? What do you like about him that Bob McDonnell won’t do for you?

    You are obviously a bright guy, Mark. If someone knocks any of my candidates, I will find an entire library of information to refute you with. I know you can do the same. Any of you can. I think you all suffer from too much agreement. I can’t stand people always agreeing with me. Where’s the sport in that.

  11. Tom – A couple of things.

    First, there are blogs both left and right that are intolerant. A lot of conversation is stifled purely from the tone of the site. The old honey versus vinegar thing. I happen to think that conversation is more easily facilitated by letting others take the rhetoric someplace else.

    Second,I’ve been lenient with you simply because you are relatively new to politics, something you have demonstrated over and over with your postings here. Even in this thread, you are looking at the forest and not seeing the trees: the ad that Deeds is running isn’t being played everywhere. It’s called targeted marketing, and all of the campaigns do it. (I suspect we’ll see something similar from McDonnell soon.)

    Finally, while it is fine to have opinions, take note when someone tells you something that doesn’t jibe with what you think to be the case. Steve Vaughan correctly pointed out the issue in 2000. Go back and look at the numbers, rather than relying on memory, or on talking points. That’s what good political commentors do.

  12. Vivian – agree that there are right blogs that do the same. Didn’t mean to imply there were not.

    I am not “new to politics”. I cast my first vote for president for Carter in 1976 and have been involved since.

    I would say we are either looking at different forests, or seeing different trees.

    And just to enlighten you on the difference between targeted marketing and targeted messages, a candidate might play up transportation in NoVa and Tidewater, and clean coal in the SW. Big Stone Gap does not care about traffic, and Fairfax does not care about coal. This is targeted marketing. A concept with which I am very familiar as a business owner.

    Deeds is doing targeted messaging. He does not use his own voice in NoVa, he pretends to be “cut from the same cloth”, and “one of us” – a progressive liberal in NoVa.

    He does not pretend to be a progressive in pro gun Bath county, and he plays conservative in that area.

    Bob McDonnell may emphasize regional priorities from area to area, but his core values do not change.

    There is a BIG difference between targeted marketing and targeted messaging.

    How many abortion clinics are peppered with Deed’s signs in Bath county? None. He plays that down there.

    I should have pictures of one in Richmond up this afternoon on my blog. He plays it up here.

    These are core values and beliefs we are talking about, not regional concerns.

    And I am not sure what you are talking about with Steve Vaughan. In my last post I said:
    Steve Vaughan posted a reasonable post.

    But perhaps you failed to read my entire post because I am such a political neophyte.

    I understand we disagree, but I have my own point of view. As far as the Clinton Gore issue, my opinion is the same as Gore. We can second guess, but there is no definitive answer. Steve gave a reasoned and supported response with his opinion, and I did the same.

    It sounds like you are trying to say I should agree with Steve, or others. His supportive statements are opinion. Not fact. He makes a good argument, just not enough to change my mind. One of us is right, and I can’t say with certainty which.

    1. I’m trying to be patient here, but clearly voting does not constitute political knowledge, certainly not the kind that is required for campaigning.

      And while I tried to be subtle, let me hit you over the head with what you are missing: this ad is targeted to black voters. That’s the “tree” you missed. It isn’t regional, it isn’t NoVA vs RoVA, it’s race. And for many black voters, Obama is still the bomb.

      That’s targeted marketing, Tom. And those same radio stations will be playing similar Bob McDonnell ads soon, if not already.

      And no, I didn’t say agree with Steve. What I said was, I thought, quite clear:

      take note when someone tells you something that doesn’t jibe with what you think to be the case. Steve Vaughan correctly pointed out the issue in 2000. Go back and look at the numbers, rather than relying on memory, or on talking points. That’s what good political commentors do.

      Steve said you were the only person who had that opinion. Although I don’t agree with him on much, this time, he’s right. Go back and read the information from the 2000 race from writers on both sides. They all pretty much agreed that Gore made a mistake by distancing himself from Clinton.

  13. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,27133,00.html

    10 foot poll? Seems Time agreed with me then. There are more, if you look.

    And, no, Vivian. I did not miss the race of either the president or the voice over. I simply think it’s narrow minded to say this targets blacks because the people talking were black. I sort of find that line of thinking, well, racist. Blacks will listen only if blacks talk? I think this also plays well with white progressives. Well, any progressives.

    If you are saying that Obama is trying to say Deeds is black, well, that’s news right there. By “cut from the same cloth” my take was he was saying Liberal, or Progressive.

    You seriously believe he was saying Deeds is like, well black?

    Wow. I didn’t see that tree.

    You don’t have a problem with that?

    1. A year out? You’re relying on that? Seriously?

      And the rest of your statement is completely nonsensical. Just wait until McDonnell comes out with his “urban radio” ads and you’ll see just how completely wrong you are.

      1. As a moderate democrat, I disagree with your statement. In fact, I was quite impressed to see Mr. McDonnell in our communties. Yes, He has been to the “hood,” our barber shop (in P-Town), he danced with my Aunt at a picinc after the 4th of July parade. He spoke at our, Calvary Revival Church (Dr. C. McBeth). I saw Mr. McDonnell at Juneteenth Celebration in Chesapeake park and was quite impress with him, very nice person who identifies with African American voters.

        I’m getting tire of our people assuming we will vote for someone because we are told to do so; as if we don’t have a brain.

        Lost my father in Feb., my job last month along with my healthcare, the Dems has done nothing for me, however, a friend put me in touch with someone who happens to be a Republican that has offered to help. Image that!

        I AM TIRE OF DEMOCRATS TAKING OUR VOTE FOR GRANTED!!!

  14. Getting back to Deeds (please!?), I heard he was giving a talk in the next day or so about healthcare reform. What’s the story?

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